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First American pope elected and will be known as Pope Leo XIV

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You could educate yourself, you know, instead of trying to regurgitate something that someone else said that you thought looked clever. What would you call Americans? United Statesians? There are two countries called the United States in North America, there's the United States of Mexico, and the United States of America. People from the United States of Mexico are called Mexicans, and people from the United States o…

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> "Cardinal George of Chicago, of happy memory, was one of my great mentors, and he said: 'Look, until America goes into political decline, there won't be an American pope.' And his point was, if America is kind of running the world politically, culturally, economically, they don't want America running the world religiously. So, I think there's some truth to that, that we're such a superpower and so dominant, they do…

That's an interesting thought but if they're actually that concerned about it then they'd wait longer than four months. It probably has more to do with America's predominant religion being protestantism by a very wife margin for most of the country's existence. We didn't have a Catholic president until Kennedy and even then proving to the common American that Catholics aren't insane Vatican mindslaves was considered…

> That's an interesting thought but if they're actually that concerned about it then they'd wait longer than four months.

Are you suggesting that the decline has only been apparent since Trump's re-election? For some (myself included), America has been in obvious political decline for some time - highlighted and spurred along by some significant events (Trump's first election and the nature of US involvement in Gaza to name a couple).

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You could educate yourself, you know, instead of trying to regurgitate something that someone else said that you thought looked clever. What would you call Americans? United Statesians? There are two countries called the United States in North America, there's the United States of Mexico, and the United States of America. People from the United States of Mexico are called Mexicans, and people from the United States o…

>What would you call Americans? United Statesians? Personally I call them Burgers.

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The US has a history of hitting rock bottom every so often. First constitutional crisis leading to the replacement of the articles of confederation, civil war, Great Depression and the new deal, the Vietnam era, and now the collapse of the post Cold War order. I am not sure fascism will take here. Americans might think they want it until the fascists start telling them what to do. We are kinda starting to see that. W…

> For some reason trans derangement syndrome (TDS) still has a hold on people. I don’t understand why that particular thing works so well, even on some people you would not expect. I think it work as good as it does since there are no trans people around most people at all. It is a TV thing. Outside of big cities I have never seen anyone. Prevalence measures varies but in my 30k pop county there should be like from 3…

I live in Fargo, ND. Conservative, small city. I work with 3 people who are trans and know another 3 outside of work and regularly see others around town. It does seem like a trend and I doubt most of them have dysphoria, but they're around and visible even in conservative areas.

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Geographically speaking, America was a single continent till the Panama channel was built

Accurately speaking, that wasn't true before the Panama canal was built, and remains not true subsequently.

How would you argue such claims, geographically and/or accurately speaking? — Other than: that’s how I was taught it is; or that’s how my favourite teacher/book/source-with-some-authority says it is.

There is no generally-agreed-upondefinition for “continent”, in the same way that there was no generally-agreed-upon definition of “planet” prior to the IAU 2006 General Assembly.

Continents are identified by convention (and there are a few competing conventions) rather than any strict criteria.

I was taught (in Europe) that there are 6 continents, 1 of which close-to-uninhabited: Europe, Asia, Africa, Oceania, America, Antarctica. This convention is the same as the one for the UNSD “continental regions”. The five interlocking rings of the Olympic flag represent these five inhabited continents.

There’s another convention that considers Eurasia to be a single continent. And another that even considers Afro-Eurasia to be a single continent.

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I doubt so, Christian Republicans conveniently ignore the parts of the Bible that directly contradict their ideology. How else could J.D. Vance consider himself a Catholic when his actions so directly go against the teachings of Christ? More generally, I think religion doesn't really inform your political views. It can certainly reinforce them post-hoc, but it certainly isn't the basis of one's morality.

As a practicing Southern Baptist, I don’t find Vance’s political ideology contradicts Christ’s teachings. Could you provide some good exemplar backed by scripture please? Preferably not cherry picked lines that tacitly support your earthly ideology, please.

This would be a good place for you to start: https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew%205-7&v...

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> "Cardinal George of Chicago, of happy memory, was one of my great mentors, and he said: 'Look, until America goes into political decline, there won't be an American pope.' And his point was, if America is kind of running the world politically, culturally, economically, they don't want America running the world religiously. So, I think there's some truth to that, that we're such a superpower and so dominant, they do…

I've heard people expressing disappointment (or triumph) because there's an American pope now, as if that would somehow strengthen Trump's position, but I don't see how. Trump doesn't control him and the pope owes no allegiance to Trump, but as an American pope, I think American Catholics are more likely to listen to him, and I think his moderate views could do a lot of good to the extremism of US politics.

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> I guess I interpret it as "America has gone into political decline." I'm a bit surprised to hear a Trump appointee say that What do you think the premise of the motto Make America Great Again is? The difference between Trumpists and others who see a decline is that the former see the 2016 and 2024 elections as reverses in the decline, whereas other see them as sources or exacerbations.

Anyone who sees Trump as either an aberration or a savior is deeply deluded on the state of America. In my opinion, the US world order’s decay was unmasked in 2008, and it has been accelerating since. The two economic realities between the poor rural America and the rich coastal cities (and even within them there is so much clear wealth disparity) have only gotten worse, and the political and bureaucratic system isn’…

I don't see why you'd say "deeply deluded" is the only option, instead of simply "not that knowledgeable" being one.

As a European, the election (and then re-election) of Trump was an aberration, but that's because I didn't know about/follow US's internal problems.

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You could educate yourself, you know, instead of trying to regurgitate something that someone else said that you thought looked clever. What would you call Americans? United Statesians? There are two countries called the United States in North America, there's the United States of Mexico, and the United States of America. People from the United States of Mexico are called Mexicans, and people from the United States o…

Well, yes. In spanish we use "estadounidense" a lot.

In Spanish, which is not English
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