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First American pope elected and will be known as Pope Leo XIV

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Re: First American pope elected and will be known as Pope Leo XIV

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Post by StopDisinfo910 »

samsepi01 wrote: post #726
bbor wrote: post #134

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For what it’s worth, I was just reading that Leo wasn’t seen as “completely” American due to his many years in Peru — he’s even a citizen. Take that as you will.

If Peru gets to claim this pope, then the US gets to claim Tesla, Einstein, etc. lol

Nobody claims the pope. This is a weird take. We are not talking about some sport celebrity.

It’s true that the man was born in the USA and was a bishop in Peru. I wouldn’t be surprised if the Peruvian catholics were happy to have a pope who lived their country.

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Post by mcv »

afavour wrote: post #97

> "Cardinal George of Chicago, of happy memory, was one of my great mentors, and he said: 'Look, until America goes into political decline, there won't be an American pope.' And his point was, if America is kind of running the world politically, culturally, economically, they don't want America running the world religiously. So, I think there's some truth to that, that we're such a superpower and so dominant, they do…

I've heard people expressing disappointment (or triumph) because there's an American pope now, as if that would somehow strengthen Trump's position, but I don't see how.

Trump doesn't control him and the pope owes no allegiance to Trump, but as an American pope, I think American Catholics are more likely to listen to him, and I think his moderate views could do a lot of good to the extremism of US politics.

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Post by parineum »

kashunstva wrote: post #729
refurb wrote: post #702

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It’s funny seeing people talk about the decline of America. I can remember the same conversations in the 1970’s, late 2000’s as well.

> I can remember the same conversations… Do you remember a president from those eras who when asked whether he believed that he was duty bound to uphold the Constitution answered “I don’t know.”? > It’s funny seeing people talk about the decline of America. Funny? I’d rather say it’s pretty sad.

He said the quiet part out loud but that doesn't change the fact that presidents have been ignoring the constitution for decades.

It's a trivial example but Biden trying to unilaterally declare the ERA law was absurd and his student loan forgiveness was obviously going to be found unconditional and he did it anyway.

Those aren't the actions of someone who takes the constitution seriously.

Nevermind the patriot act...

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Post by tomhow »

hirvi74 wrote: post #411

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Post by camillomiller »

SirensOfTitan wrote: post #612
dragonwriter wrote: post #503

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> I guess I interpret it as "America has gone into political decline." I'm a bit surprised to hear a Trump appointee say that What do you think the premise of the motto Make America Great Again is? The difference between Trumpists and others who see a decline is that the former see the 2016 and 2024 elections as reverses in the decline, whereas other see them as sources or exacerbations.

Anyone who sees Trump as either an aberration or a savior is deeply deluded on the state of America. In my opinion, the US world order’s decay was unmasked in 2008, and it has been accelerating since. The two economic realities between the poor rural America and the rich coastal cities (and even within them there is so much clear wealth disparity) have only gotten worse, and the political and bureaucratic system isn’…

Agreed. The 2008 crisis and the Snowden revelations were the long turning point

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Post by wraptile »

This seems to be a very clear signal that Catholics think that US is having very serious issues which in turn endangers the world. I'm an atheist but assuming Catholic church justifies itself through "greater good" sort of mentality this move is such an obvious one and I don't think there could have a been a better one.

Excited to see the drama as the US-circus is already delivering briliant lines like "why didn't he speak English".

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Post by chambers »

moralestapia wrote: post #769
chambers wrote: post #679

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I was also raised by a loving catholic mother, who let me go my way, out of the church. I eventually found my way back in, and feel similar to you as you do now. IMHO, the GP has a right to share his experience here as we do ours. A thread on the election of a pope, with a subthread on the beauty of church, is a fair venue for sharing. There's no need for prejudice, disguised as policing, on either side.

Absolutely, there is nothing wrong with letting others know the other side of the coin. Moreover, I have done that respectfully, I never diminished the other guys' experience or called him fake or anything. He's mocking me in another comment already ... the tolerant ones. This is a thread about the Pope, why wouldn't people be allowed to say good things about the religion it leads? But guess what, some invisible hand…

Ah, I didn't meant to imply you did something wrong. I thought you were right to share.

Rather, I saw the start of a flamewar below (not caused by you) and I figured I'd say my piece. But it came out wrong and you got flagged undeservingly.

Sorry about that :\

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Post by gambiting »

blensor wrote: post #805
dralley wrote: post #727

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World Cup results

I think that gets close since you can hear them from the reaction around you, but I don't think it's a equally distributed. You may have regions where the fans are very vocal but you also have a lot of regions where people don't care all that much especially if you are in a region that got eliminated in an early round

I'm in the UK and you simply didn't have that kind of reaction because Anglican church does not care about the pope. I asked my friend group if they've heard there was a new pope elected and their reaction was "what happened to the last one?".

It was on the news but there were no bells ringing etc. Same as in your football example I suppose.

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Post by dessimus »

parineum wrote: post #814
kashunstva wrote: post #729

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I can remember the same conversations… Do you remember a president from those eras who when asked whether he believed that he was duty bound to uphold the Constitution answered “I don’t know.”? > It’s funny seeing people talk about the decline of America. Funny? I’d rather say it’s pretty sad.

He said the quiet part out loud but that doesn't change the fact that presidents have been ignoring the constitution for decades. It's a trivial example but Biden trying to unilaterally declare the ERA law was absurd and his student loan forgiveness was obviously going to be found unconditional and he did it anyway. Those aren't the actions of someone who takes the constitution seriously. Nevermind the patriot act...

> Nevermind the patriot act...

Whether you agree with it or not, at least the Patriot Act was passed by Congress and not simply Executive Orders because it's too inconvenient to work with Congress on legislation.

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