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First American pope elected and will be known as Pope Leo XIV

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Post by ImJamal »

alabastervlog wrote: post #91
whynotminot wrote: post #85

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My understanding is that the Catholic church does not actually take scripture as the sole source for church doctrine. “Sola Scriptura” is a thing for some — perhaps even most — Protestant denominations. But not for the Catholic Church.

> “Sola Scriptura” is a thing for some Protestant denominations. And, infamously and comically, isn't exactly well supported by the text itself.

Which leads to many Protestants saying the Bible is infallible, but which books belong to the Bible is not infallible. Which, don't tell them, means they have no clue if the books they think are infallible are actually infallible.

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Post by N19PEDL2 »

blensor wrote: post #9

I wonder if there is any other event in recent history that is communicated as quickly to as many people as the fact that a new pope has been elected. I was out on the streets when the church bells started ringing here in Vienna as must have all around the globe where there are catholic churches

Here in Frankfurt, too, the bells began to ring at the announcement.

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Post by kergonath »

Ey7NFZ3P0nzAe wrote: post #545
mensetmanusman wrote: post #514

“ That the spirit of revolutionary change, which has long been disturbing the nations of the world, should have passed beyond the sphere of politics and made its influence felt in the cognate sphere of practical economics is not surprising. The elements of the conflict now raging are unmistakable, in the vast expansion of industrial pursuits and the marvelous discoveries of science; in the changed relations between m…

Neat thanks. Btw how do you know this?! Have you memorized stuff of all the passed popes?

The last Leo was a notable pope. His views are well known. You don’t need to memorise everything, a lot of what they’ve said over the years is available in books or online.

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Post by I_am_tiberius »

rocqua wrote: post #477
I_am_tiberius wrote: post #110

I strongly believe the American choice was a strategic decision made by a group of highly intelligent individuals.

My national news agency (the NOS) reported that this happened despite his nationality, not because of. According to their article, the dislike of most of the world against American happenings made him a less likely candidate.

I consider that as very unlikely, as he wasn't on top of the list of favorites. But of course we don't really know.

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Post by entropicdrifter »

defen wrote: post #491
carefulfungi wrote: post #441

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Yes, but... the Spanish reached present-day New Mexico before the English reached present-day New England.

Sure, but the Spanish colonization had virtually no impact on the ethnic, political, or religious development of the United States other than some water and land rights in the Southwest.

>Sure, but the Spanish colonization had virtually no impact on the ethnic, political, or religious development of the United States other than some water and land rights in the Southwest.

Texas, California, Florida, totally unimportant backwater states, right? No Latin American culture, ethnicity, political or religious influence to speak of.

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Post by neaden »

thimabi wrote: post #540
neaden wrote: post #426

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Is he the first US Citizen to be head of a foreign state or have their been others? Edit: Did some googling and found Toomas Hendrik Ilves was a naturalized US citizen who renounced his citizenship before becoming an Estonian ambassador and later President of Estonia. Not seeing any who actively held US citizenship while being head of state.

If my memory doesn’t fail, there has also been an American adventurer called William Walker who doubled as president of Nicaragua back in the 19th century

Just read a little about him, seems like a very weird guy who basically invaded Nicaragua and Bolivia on his own and declared himself president. It looks like he never had full control over the country and wasn't recognized as the valid president by most other nations, but he does seem to be the next closest.

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Post by Aloisius »

phreack wrote: post #523
neaden wrote: post #449

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Pakistan and Bangladesh are on the Indian subcontinent, do you correct people from the country of India every time they say they are Indian?

As I understand it, the people from Pakistan and Bangladesh mostly prefer the South Asia denomination and don't consider themselves Indians, while South Americans do consider themselves Americans, so it's a different case.

> South Americans do consider themselves Americans, so it's a different case.

I have a hard time believing people in South America actually call themselves Americans or are remotely confused about where someone identified as American is from.

This all seems pedantic.

Yes, everyone from the Americas could conceivably be called an American, but the lack of any shared continental cultural identity largely removes any need to self-identify as an inhabitant of the continent. But hey, if people desperately want to call themselves Americans, I say go for it.

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Post by aezell »

taylodl wrote: post #518
ivape wrote: post #510

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I know many American evangelicals who believe Catholics are not true Christians, and as such, when they're talking about Christians they are not including Catholics in that discussion.

I was in an interview once and the prospective employer asked me what church I attend. I replied, "Catholic." He said, "Is that even Christian?" So, yeah, plenty of Americans have a skewed view of Catholicism.

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Post by thrance »

throw310822 wrote: post #120
Boogie_Man wrote: post #36

The prevailing wisdom has been proven wrong on this occasion. He is very much a continuation of Francis's school of thought in spite of the "fat Pope thin Pope" wisdom, and he is an American who has been elected Pope, which was almost unthinkable because of America's economic, political, and mass media domination of the western world. Very unexpected

If he's on the same positions as Pope Francis but he's American, then this is a great move by the Catholic Church. Many Americans will naturally root for "their" Pope, and this will lead them away from the positions of Trump and the Evangelicals.

I doubt so, Christian Republicans conveniently ignore the parts of the Bible that directly contradict their ideology. How else could J.D. Vance consider himself a Catholic when his actions so directly go against the teachings of Christ?

More generally, I think religion doesn't really inform your political views. It can certainly reinforce them post-hoc, but it certainly isn't the basis of one's morality.

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Post by bombcar »

swyx wrote: post #534
pc86 wrote: post #320

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Symbolism is a huge part of what name you select which is why its been a minute since a Pope Innocent or Pope Pious.

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> There were 12 Piuses

http://www.popepiusclock.com is a thing

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