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First American pope elected and will be known as Pope Leo XIV

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Post by epolanski »

qsort wrote: post #27
blensor wrote: post #9

I wonder if there is any other event in recent history that is communicated as quickly to as many people as the fact that a new pope has been elected. I was out on the streets when the church bells started ringing here in Vienna as must have all around the globe where there are catholic churches

Probably not as spiritually fulfilling, but the stock market would be an example of that happening at sub-second latencies, every day, all day.

Doubt it's even barely comparable.

Stonks go up and down all time, it's not news, and people don't tune in mass from all around the world to watch sp500s chandelier bars.

Re: First American pope elected and will be known as Pope Leo XIV

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Post by cjbgkagh »

fblp wrote: post #396
tptacek wrote: post #346

Earlier quoted context omitted.

1955 born (chicago) 1977 seminary grad (chicago) 1982 ordination (->rome) 1985 canon law doctor (->peru) 1999 midwest augustinians (->chicago) 2001 global augustinians (->rome) 2015 bishop (->peru) 2021 dicasterate (->rome)

Seems like he's spent 2 years in the US since he was 27.

At 69 that's pretty close to half of his life, and since it's the early half there is more weight to it as it forms the context from which the rest is understood.

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Post by 90s_dev »

ralfd wrote: post #205

Is Pope Leo eligible to be voted President of the United States?

Why would that even be a good thing? Religion is inherently above politics. Politics is concerned for the temporal good of its subjects.

Religion is concerned for the ethical and spiritual good of its subjects. Politics are short sighted and can never produce a paradise. Religion can produce a paradise in the soul of one even in the worst political and economic circumstances.

Jesus was homeless and broke.

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Post by lo_zamoyski »

pavlov wrote: post #310

In his time around the end of the 19th century, Leo XIII was known as the “Social Pope” and “Pope of the Workers”. He wasn’t a radical but opened the door to modern thinking in the church. Presumably there’s some symbolism to why the new pope wanted to adopt this particular name.

The book you want to read about what he was about is this one (reprint): "The Church Speaks to the Modern World: The Social Teachings of Leo XIII" [0]. You can find his encyclicals, speeches, etc. here [1].

[0] https://a.co/d/gmUTo49

[1] https://www.vatican.va/content/leo-xiii/en.html

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Post by tptacek »

mildred593 wrote: post #104

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A week or so ago there was a thread about the Traditional Latin Mass (TLM) and a discussion about why it was disfavored by Francis. This is the kind of thing I was talking about there.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43750950

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Post by neaden »

ralfd wrote: post #205

Is Pope Leo eligible to be voted President of the United States?

Is he the first US Citizen to be head of a foreign state or have their been others?

Edit: Did some googling and found Toomas Hendrik Ilves was a naturalized US citizen who renounced his citizenship before becoming an Estonian ambassador and later President of Estonia. Not seeing any who actively held US citizenship while being head of state.

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Post by Boogie_Man »

Henchman21 wrote: post #393
Boogie_Man wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There are several important American bishops who have made serious strides to protect children. This is an ignorant statement.

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I am not Catholic and priests should be permitted to marry.

The zeitgeist is inaccurate. Sexual abuse and subsequent cover ups were a massive problem that has largely been addressed, but the numbers of offenders are proportionally lower than those in public schools. From wikipedia:

"Hofstra University researcher Charol Shakeshaft, the author of a 2002 report on sexual offenses in schools, said sexual violence is much more prevalent in schools than in the Church.[315] Ernie Allen, former president of the National Center for Missing & Exploited Children, stated: "we don't see the Catholic Church as a hotbed of this [sexual abuse and pedophilia] or as a place that has a bigger problem [with this issue] than anyone else."[316]"

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Post by [deleted] »

bitshiftfaced wrote: post #188
rootsudo wrote: post #152

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For what it's worth, Peru is in South America. Still American, Technically.

From reading online comments, I'm starting to believe that those who reside outside the US are more strident defenders of the idea that "US citizens only" = "American" than US citizens themselves.

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Post by jltsiren »

9dev wrote: post #254
mjirv wrote: post #208

Earlier quoted context omitted.

sure, why not?

Because he is the head of a foreign nation, and will hold that office till death. You cannot be head of multiple nations at once.

That's a republican idea (with a small r), or maybe a nationalist one. Monarchs on the other hand had a habit of collecting titles. If you only had one title as the head of one political entity, you were obviously a very insignificant leader. Conquered territories often continued to exist as separate entities that just happened to have the same monarch, rather than being annexed into the dominant country.

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Post by raddan »

afavour wrote: post #97

> "Cardinal George of Chicago, of happy memory, was one of my great mentors, and he said: 'Look, until America goes into political decline, there won't be an American pope.' And his point was, if America is kind of running the world politically, culturally, economically, they don't want America running the world religiously. So, I think there's some truth to that, that we're such a superpower and so dominant, they do…

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