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First American pope elected and will be known as Pope Leo XIV

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Post by refurb »

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It’s funny seeing people talk about the decline of America. I can remember the same conversations in the 1970’s, late 2000’s as well.

If we ever hit a point where nobody is talking about America being in decline, that will mean we are entering decline. I do think we’ve been in a down period when it comes to politics for a while but I am mid to long term optimistic about things getting better. This is not the first time we’ve had crazy massively divisive politics or populist crackpottery. Overall I do not think we are in any kind of terminal decline…

What other countries are rising? I mean China is an obvious one but seems to be struggling. Europe is in decline. India continues to struggle.

If anything, the US has pulled even further ahead since 1990. Back then the USSR was a near-power to the US, but has fallen significantly since then.

Since all power is relative, you’d need to see the US falling relative to another country. And right now, I don’t really see a country on that trajectory.

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Post by TMWNN »

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Okay, yes, we get it. But the United States as a name even is not unique to western hemisphere countries - the name of Mexico is "Estados Unidos Mexicanos" - or United Mexican States. We were the first country from the to be recognized by the Western Europeans, and the people at the time didn't anticipate the current situation, so forgive us for having a name in English that is a bit ambiguous, but how many people co…

> the name of Mexico is "Estados Unidos Mexicanos" - or United Mexican States TIL. That’s funny because afaik Mexicans refer to the USA as “estados unidos”.

>TIL. That’s funny because afaik Mexicans refer to the USA as “estados unidos”.

Just as bad is that norteamericanos is the popular term for Americans (in the American sense), despite the existence of Canada and Mexico itself on the continent.

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Post by aipatselarom »

soulofmischief wrote: post #762
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My faith in Christ is way stronger than the influence of a small group of crooked and virtueless human beings. Even if 9 out of 10 of cardinals, priests and worshippers were crooked, my faith in Christ wouldn't move one inch (2.54cm); it might actually become even greater. I think there is a profound difference on how two different kinds of people approach religion. On one side, I've never given much care to what the…

On what do you base your faith? Did he send you an email?

Try harder next time. You just blew up all the case you made around "I'm just here arguing in good faith".

But to cater to your question, no, he did not send me an email.

He did not have to do anything, I was the one who approached God.

I hope one day you are able to understand this and live in peace with others who do not wish you any bad. You're not a teenager anymore.

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Post by ekianjo »

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Pope Quartz: https://xkcd.com/2501/ I was raised Catholic and couldn't have even told you there'd been a single Pope Leo, let alone 13 of them before today. The only Pope quote I could even give you is the term "Ex Cathedra".

It never ceases to amaze me how poorly catechized the majority of cradle Catholics are. I don't intend this to be directed at you, but it's a standing joke among traditionalist Catholics that "I was raised Catholic" is the preamble to a statement of either ignorance or heresy.

Who the pope is, is not really relevant. It's not like the pope will suddenly go against the key scriptures or something.

Also, most Catholics are born in catholic families so it's not like they chose catholicism over something else.

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Post by neves »

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Not in English. I know in the Spanish speaking world there's a single American continent, but as far as I know across the English speaking world it's taught as two continents, North and South America. We have the term "the Americas" to refer to both.

Geographically speaking, America was a single continent till the Panama channel was built

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Post by asielen »

ben_w wrote: post #577
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The last Leo was a notable pope. His views are well known. You don’t need to memorise everything, a lot of what they’ve said over the years is available in books or online.

Pope Quartz: https://xkcd.com/2501/ I was raised Catholic and couldn't have even told you there'd been a single Pope Leo, let alone 13 of them before today. The only Pope quote I could even give you is the term "Ex Cathedra".

I would generally agree, except that there is a very well know Pope Leo that anyone who has taken any European history should know about. Pope Leo X that was Pope when Martin Luther kicked off the reformation.

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Post by baruz »

froh wrote: post #649
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You can (sort of) divide Catholic clergy into diocesan priests, who spend their careers managing the clerical hierarchy of a specific region, and religious-order priests, who belong to religious orders within the church --- the Jesuits, Franciscans, Augustinians, Dominicans, etc. The "religious" Clergy are thought to be in some sense less tied up in church politics.

and additionally each order has a "charisma", a specific focus and style, think pythonista vs crustacean vs C vs C++ vs Haskell longer vs lisper. each order attracts it's own flock. so now I need to check on Augustines... fun fact: Martin Luther was an Augustine monk.

You probably got auto-spellchecked, but it’s “charism,” without the a.

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Post by kijin »

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> That's an interesting thought but if they're actually that concerned about it then they'd wait longer than four months. I don't think they had much control over when Francis died.

Sure, but there clearly wasn't much concern if an American got 2/3rds of the vote on day 2. They didn't have to elect a new pope this quickly.

130+ cardinals aren't going to be stuck in Sistine Chapel for months just to assuage some hypothetical concerns about America.

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Post by cvoss »

rocqua wrote: post #477
I_am_tiberius wrote: post #110

I strongly believe the American choice was a strategic decision made by a group of highly intelligent individuals.

My national news agency (the NOS) reported that this happened despite his nationality, not because of. According to their article, the dislike of most of the world against American happenings made him a less likely candidate.

The deliberations of the conclave are secret in perpetuity. It is not possible for your news agency to report on why this candidate was selected. Whatever they said is an outsider's guess.

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Post by Jedd »

neves wrote: post #775
losvedir wrote: post #697

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Not in English. I know in the Spanish speaking world there's a single American continent, but as far as I know across the English speaking world it's taught as two continents, North and South America. We have the term "the Americas" to refer to both.

Geographically speaking, America was a single continent till the Panama channel was built

Accurately speaking, that wasn't true before the Panama canal was built, and remains not true subsequently.
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