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First American pope elected and will be known as Pope Leo XIV

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Post by carefulfungi »

defen wrote: post #491
carefulfungi wrote: post #441

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Yes, but... the Spanish reached present-day New Mexico before the English reached present-day New England.

Sure, but the Spanish colonization had virtually no impact on the ethnic, political, or religious development of the United States other than some water and land rights in the Southwest.

I suppose like so many historical discussions, it depends on where you draw the starting line. Personally, I find understanding the colonization of the Americas and the emergence of the United States more effectively as a continuum that includes the Spanish, who were the dominate initial "new world" colonial power for a couple hundred years. Not to mention, who actually funded Columbus ;-). I understand this isn't the popular or common place to draw the starting line when reading US history, though. (And maybe not even a good way - just a way that I find personally more interesting.)

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Post by michaelsbradley »

Rev. P. Robert Francis PREVOST, O.S.A. (now Pope Leo XIV), Address to the Synod of Bishops, 2012

https://www.vatican.va/news_services/press/sinodo/documents/...

   At least in the contemporary western world, if not throughout the entire world, the human imagination concerning both religious faith and ethics is largely shaped by mass media, especially by television and cinema. Western mass media is extraordinarily effective in fostering within the general public enormous sympathy for beliefs and practices that are at odds with the Gospel.
   
   However, overt opposition to Christianity by mass media is only part of the problem. The sympathy for anti-Christian lifestyle choices that mass media fosters is so brilliantly and artfully engrained in the viewing public, that when people hear the Christian message it often inevitably seems ideological and emotionally cruel by contrast to the ostensible humaneness of the anti-Christian perspective.

   If the “New Evangelization” is going to counter these mass media-produced distortions of religious and ethical reality successfully, pastors, preachers, teachers and catechists are going to have to become far more informed about the challenge of evangelizing in a world dominated by mass media.

   The Fathers of the Church, including Saint Augustine, can provide eminent guidance for the Church in this aspect of the New Evangelization, precisely because they were masters of the art of rhetoric. Their evangelizing was successful in great part because they understood the foundations of social communication appropriate to the world in which they lived.

   In order to combat successfully the dominance of the mass media over popular religious and moral imaginations, it is not sufficient for the Church to own its own television media or to sponsor religious films. The proper mission of the Church is to introduce people to the nature of mystery as an antidote to spectacle. Religious life also plays an important role in evangelization, pointing others to this mystery, through living faithfully the evangelical counsels.

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Post by ivape »

taylodl wrote: post #518
ivape wrote: post #510

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I know many American evangelicals who believe Catholics are not true Christians, and as such, when they're talking about Christians they are not including Catholics in that discussion.

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Post by swyx »

pc86 wrote: post #320
pavlov wrote: post #310

In his time around the end of the 19th century, Leo XIII was known as the “Social Pope” and “Pope of the Workers”. He wasn’t a radical but opened the door to modern thinking in the church. Presumably there’s some symbolism to why the new pope wanted to adopt this particular name.

Symbolism is a huge part of what name you select which is why its been a minute since a Pope Innocent or Pope Pious.

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Post by svieira »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #201
FeteCommuniste wrote: post #172

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Many a preacher will tell you that their way of "loving" gay people is to warn them of the hellfire awaiting them if they don't quit doing gay stuff and repent.

> Many a preacher will tell you that their way of "loving" gay people is to warn them of the hellfire awaiting them if they don't quit doing gay stuff and repent I can actually accept this. They’re expressing an opinion, nothing more. If they then proceed to ostracise that person, or refuse to recognise their relations, that’s crossing into hate and pridefulness.

> If they then proceed to ostracise that person, that’s crossing into hate and pridefulness.

Agreed

> or refuse to recognise their relations, that’s crossing into hate and pridefulness.

There I think we need a finer view. "Mx. Other" is important to you? Yes, absolutely, they should recognize that. What you do with "Mx. Other" is good? Absolutely not, it's harming both you and "Mx. Other" who you clearly love.

See https://boldlybeloved.com/ for a beautiful example of how to do accompanying _right_ (in my opinion).

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Post by pqtyw »

Henchman21 wrote: post #393
Boogie_Man wrote: post #75

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There are several important American bishops who have made serious strides to protect children. This is an ignorant statement.

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> This is a widely held belief because it is so frequently true.

How frequently? The issue is them covering up those crimes and protecting the perpetrators. It's like saying that BBC is run by podophiles (when it was "just" aiding and abetting them).

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Post by Aloisius »

Izikiel43 wrote: post #232
EasyMark wrote: post #214

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Sure but most of the world, when they say America or American, they mean the USA, otherwise they'll say "the Americas" or "North American" or "South American" or refer to a specific country. It's just a reality that a lot of people don't want to face, but you have to be pragmatic in life for the most part.

> most of the world, when they say America or American, they mean the US Ehh no. In school in Argentina you are taught that the whole continent is called America, then you have subcontinents in it (North/central/south), and I would guess other south american countries are the same. If you want to say citizen of the USA in Argentina you would call them yankees.

Do Argentinians regularly refer to themselves as Americans?

I can't think of the last time I needed to describe myself as being from the continent, but if you really want to call yourselves Americans, I say go for it. People can call themselves whatever they like.

Still, I can't help but notice Argentinean newspapers using americano to refer to refer to things from the US.

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Post by dragonwriter »

fblp wrote: post #396
tptacek wrote: post #346

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1955 born (chicago) 1977 seminary grad (chicago) 1982 ordination (->rome) 1985 canon law doctor (->peru) 1999 midwest augustinians (->chicago) 2001 global augustinians (->rome) 2015 bishop (->peru) 2021 dicasterate (->rome)

Seems like he's spent 2 years in the US since he was 27.

Wait till you see how long Cardinal Pizzaballa who was viewed as the most likely Italian contender for the Papacy, has spent in the Holy Land and not Italy.

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Post by mensetmanusman »

moralestapia wrote: post #164
soulofmischief wrote: post #139

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When you're under its thumb of oppression, all of the aesthetic takes on a very dark and sinister authoritarian tone and becomes symbolic of a lifetime of repression and coercion. Source: raised by an extremely abusive Catholic deacon.

When you're embraced by its grace, all of the aesthetic takes on a very bright and uplifting inspirational tone and becomes symbolic of a lifetime of guidance and empowerment. Source: raised by an extremely loving Catholic mother.

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Post by thimabi »

neaden wrote: post #426
ralfd wrote: post #205

Is Pope Leo eligible to be voted President of the United States?

Is he the first US Citizen to be head of a foreign state or have their been others? Edit: Did some googling and found Toomas Hendrik Ilves was a naturalized US citizen who renounced his citizenship before becoming an Estonian ambassador and later President of Estonia. Not seeing any who actively held US citizenship while being head of state.

If my memory doesn’t fail, there has also been an American adventurer called William Walker who doubled as president of Nicaragua back in the 19th century
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