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First American pope elected and will be known as Pope Leo XIV

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Post by Capricorn2481 »

BJones12 wrote: post #149
eldaisfish wrote: post #96

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bad faith response. No one, from any religion, should directly or indirectly support crimes against minors. If people really cared about kids, we would protect them from sexual abuse from priests and prosecute priests via the legal system.

> If people really cared about kids, we would... prosecute priests via the legal system. Prevost has literally said to alleged victims that they should go to the police.

So he "literally" said he won't do anything about it until children can muster the courage and resources to prove in court they were abused.

This is "why didn't she go to the police" for children. The police are not to be trusted, certainly not to against the Catholic Church.

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Post by FeteCommuniste »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #108
rich_sasha wrote: post #58

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I think "progressiveness" isn't necessarily a good metric to judge an entity that believes itself to be a moral guide. It's very job is to deal moral teachings, rather than follow the crowd. That's not to say the teachings are right, and of course no one has to follow the teachings. But it'd be a bit like saying, dunno, dismissing a judge's verdict on the basis of it not reflecting popular opinion. It's not meant to…

How men of cloth treat gay people is a good litmus test for whether they’re following the Christian tenets of love and forgiveness. Like, you’re dealing with one of God’s creatures, per the Christian worldview. You can’t claim to respect God’s plan and then turn around and say you know better when it makes you feel icky. > job is to deal moral teachings, rather than follow the crowd An American Catholic hating and de…

Many a preacher will tell you that their way of "loving" gay people is to warn them of the hellfire awaiting them if they don't quit doing gay stuff and repent.

Re: First American pope elected and will be known as Pope Leo XIV

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Post by wvbdmp »

ch4s3 wrote: post #18
freetime2 wrote: post #12

The pope is not a subject that typically interests me, but I must admit that I find announcing a decision with changing smoke color rather delightful. I wonder how long ago that started.

The white smoke means there's a pope thing started in 1914[1], but they've been burning the ballots for a very long time. [1] https://www.history.com/articles/pope-conclave-smoke-color

Any chance the guy who programmed history.com to redirect deep links to your local tld version’s frontpage is on HN? What a helpful feature

Re: First American pope elected and will be known as Pope Leo XIV

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Post by imzadi »

theelfismike wrote: post #168
imzadi wrote: post #153

"He is the first North American to be elected pope and, before the conclave, was the U.S. cardinal most mentioned as a potential successor of St. Peter." Is that a typo?

St Peter was the first Pope; all Popes after are successors to him

Ah, I see. Thanks.

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Post by nosianu »

ch4s3 wrote: post #18
freetime2 wrote: post #12

The pope is not a subject that typically interests me, but I must admit that I find announcing a decision with changing smoke color rather delightful. I wonder how long ago that started.

The white smoke means there's a pope thing started in 1914[1], but they've been burning the ballots for a very long time. [1] https://www.history.com/articles/pope-conclave-smoke-color

Annoyingly, when I go to that page, even from Google where I found that URL too, I end up at the German homepage www.history.de (no path, the main page). I cannot go to history.com no matter what.

I hate "intelligent" websites as much as I like touchpad microwaves, and that means not at all. Why would anyone assume an enforced(!!!) connection between my geographic location and the language-version of the website?

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Post by ryandv »

andrepd wrote: post #123
aoki wrote: post #51

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> His educational background includes a Bachelor of Science in Mathematics from Villanova University Huh. Career counselors take note, new path opened up.

Francis had a degree in chemistry if I'm not mistaken.

It's a modern rhetorical fallacy that science is directly antithetical to religion, when many of history's greatest scientists were themselves "spiritual" in some way (though that degree of spirituality may have ranged from near-atheistic scientific pantheism a la Einstein and Sagan, to members of the clergy). I am glad there are still numerous counterexamples of those with firm educations in hard STEM fields that still contemplate the divine.

Probably two modern developments presaged this viewpoint: the laughable apologetics of the Creationists, which have already been refuted ad nauseam by the New Atheists; and semantic drift and inaccurate (or even lacking) definitions for the word "god," which is probably better understood in modern English as "mind" or "mental construct" or "the abstract" (as contrasted with the "concrete" or physical body a la Descartes, in a similar fashion to the distinction between the rarefied air of mathematical models, and the hard reality of physical law).

It's easy to chastise an ideology when you misunderstand some of its most basic terminology, as has been done with words like "god" or "spirituality."

Ironically I often find it is people who are not educated in STEM that cleave most vociferously to the point of view that religion and science are fundamentally irreconcilable.

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Post by dylan604 »

whynotminot wrote: post #100
alabastervlog wrote: post #91

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> “Sola Scriptura” is a thing for some Protestant denominations. And, infamously and comically, isn't exactly well supported by the text itself.

Indeed. You can find yourself in some very frustrating loops, down to the parsing of words back to the original languages they were translated from, when trying to argue the Bible as a sole foundation for literally everything. Source: grew up in churches that tried to do just that.

Memories of using Strong's reference to do this very thing.

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Post by idontwantthis »

VikingCoder wrote: post #161

Some jokes I saw on Reddit: He is to be referred to as, "Da Pope." "Ketchup to be banned in the Vatican." "He's going to replace Communion Wine with Malört."

I hope they bring Fred Armisen in for the SNL impression.
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