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Re: Only Teslas exempt from new auto tariffs thanks to 85% domestic content rule

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Post by zelphirkalt »

qwerpy wrote: post #94
tedunangst wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's different when I like the rules.

Washington state is going in the other direction: https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/politics/wa-legisl... I'm sure the targeted aspect of that one is applauded by the same side that is unhappy about this tariff. At least in the tariff case, it's an objective numerical target and probably even achievable by other manufacturers. Ford is only 5% away from the target for some of its models.

I would go as far as saying, that almost no one outside the US knows about state specific rules. People watch or read some news, but they are usually not that much into the US inner political theater, that they additionally make an effort to learn what state has what other rules.

I am not even sure how impactful it is, that Washington state does something different. Like ... Are things built or sold there by a large amount? What makes Washington state special? And what are their intentions? And can their lower level rules actually override what is decided at the country level by Trump's gang?

It is bad enough, that people have to deal with hearing about all the crazy stuff the orange clown or his henchmen do on a daily basis. There is a limit to how much people want to deal even more with political stuff from the US, you know?

Re: Only Teslas exempt from new auto tariffs thanks to 85% domestic content rule

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Post by jrs235 »

linguae wrote: post #125
fullshark wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The “libertarians” who are in bed with Trump however…

The behavior I’ve seen from so many libertarians from 2017 onward, especially during the pandemic, January 6th, and Trump’s reelection, has revealed so much to me and has made me rethink my libertarianism. So many libertarians, when pressed, would gladly align themselves with the far-right for their own benefit, whether to accelerate the destruction of the state they hate so much, or whether because, deep down inside…

Are you me?

Although I'm more Georgist these days.

Re: Only Teslas exempt from new auto tariffs thanks to 85% domestic content rule

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Post by TylerE »

twoodfin wrote: post #156
ivape wrote: post #108

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is Citizen's United the only thing that allowed one person to donate $150 million? This is the obvious flaw. We would need a RICO type framework to identify the basket of vectors that one person/organization can use to funnel money to a candidate. This is a bipartisan issue but I don't know how we can surface the narrative so more people can talk about it.

Citizens United has no impact on what an individual can do with his money. It’s purely about corporate spending by entities like IBM, the Sierra Club, or the New York Times Company.

It does because a rich individual can just start a proxy corp and do whatever.

Re: Only Teslas exempt from new auto tariffs thanks to 85% domestic content rule

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Post by rat87 »

ryandrake wrote: post #149
cosmicgadget wrote: post #98

Earlier quoted context omitted.

While I agree with the sentiment that he is not backing down from a lot of his batshit promises, let's not forget that he made a lot of promises. The Russian invasion didn't end on day 1 or day 100 and he decided to only strongarm one side - iirc he said he would threaten Ukraine with withdrawing support and threaten Russia with giving obscene amounts of support to Ukraine.

His predictions about what other people/countries would do were, of course, wrong, but his promises about what he (and his admin) would do or try to do themselves are for the most part being delivered.

It's not for the most part. He's delivering far lower percentage of his promises than most presidents.

He made a shit ton of promises and many were nonsensical and contradictory. But that doesn't change that he hasn't delivered on them. The problem is people see him doing the most ridiculous stuff people thought he would drop and assume that means he kept most of his promises

Re: Only Teslas exempt from new auto tariffs thanks to 85% domestic content rule

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Post by sneak »

linguae wrote: post #125
fullshark wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The “libertarians” who are in bed with Trump however…

The behavior I’ve seen from so many libertarians from 2017 onward, especially during the pandemic, January 6th, and Trump’s reelection, has revealed so much to me and has made me rethink my libertarianism. So many libertarians, when pressed, would gladly align themselves with the far-right for their own benefit, whether to accelerate the destruction of the state they hate so much, or whether because, deep down inside…

Perhaps it‘s the “no true Scotsman” fallacy, but I find it hard to consider anyone enamored with Trump to be legitimately libertarian. The guy basically regards himself as a dictator and his edicts are mega-authoritarian.

To me it is logically impossible to reconcile the two positions. You simply can’t be a pro-authoritarian libertarian.

You can’t really espouse libertarian values while being what is coded as “culturally conservative”, because that worldview demands conformity and the mechanisms to enforce same, which are inherently anti-liberty.

A good rule of thumb is that anyone who had any issue whatsoever with other people wearing masks during the pandemic are pretty obviously not pro-individual-liberty and just factional culture brawlers.

There seems to be a lot of definiton drift in the term “libertarian”, and that seems wrong to me. (The same thing happened to my other primary identifying social group, “techno”. I spend a lot of time yelling at clouds now.)

Re: Only Teslas exempt from new auto tariffs thanks to 85% domestic content rule

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Post by rat87 »

potato3732842 wrote: post #168
fullshark wrote: post #143

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I just think a lot of democrats really haven't paid attention to how Trump has morphed the Republican party and the realignment that has been going on. They still think of a Republican as George w. Bush / John McCain / Mitt Romney even though they have all been effectively excommunicated from the party. I think part of it was hope was Trump was a momentary blip but that's obviously no longer the case.

Everyday people have been clamoring for some sort of change for a long time. 00s at least. It reached a boiling point in the late 2010s and you had a nearly parallel rise of Trump and Bernie. The difference is that the republicans couldn't keep a lid on Trump and his backers like the democrats did to Bernie. So Trump got in and then politicians "built in his image" started getting elected all over the place. So now t…

I don't think most Republicans want the destruction of our country so no I don't think he's an accurate reflection

Re: Only Teslas exempt from new auto tariffs thanks to 85% domestic content rule

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Post by viraptor »

ryandrake wrote: post #75
legitster wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Trump was never actually a "free market" idealogue. And the GOP officially dropped any mentions of it from their party platform a few years ago. If anything, they are doing exactly what they promised. They were against globalism and elites and international agreements and governance and they are being true to their words.

If I was forced to say one good thing about the guy, it's that he is quickly and faithfully delivering on his campaign promises, moreso than any other president that ever served in my lifetime. He's blasting right through the Project 2025 checklist and doing exactly what he said he'd do. Those campaign promises are destructive, thoughtless, cruel, and self-serving, but he said he'd do them, was elected, and then subs…

> on his campaign promises (...) the Project 2025

He never backed that officially though, right? It's just that everyone rational knew what's happening anyway, but otherwise - even the not knowing about it was a lie, not an explicit promise.

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Post by stronglikedan »

ryandrake wrote: post #75
legitster wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Trump was never actually a "free market" idealogue. And the GOP officially dropped any mentions of it from their party platform a few years ago. If anything, they are doing exactly what they promised. They were against globalism and elites and international agreements and governance and they are being true to their words.

If I was forced to say one good thing about the guy, it's that he is quickly and faithfully delivering on his campaign promises, moreso than any other president that ever served in my lifetime. He's blasting right through the Project 2025 checklist and doing exactly what he said he'd do. Those campaign promises are destructive, thoughtless, cruel, and self-serving, but he said he'd do them, was elected, and then subs…

> He's blasting right through the Project 2025 checklist

You are confusing that with Agenda 47. While Project 2025 was all those things you describe, that Trump endorsed any of it or is implementing any of those destructive things simply isn't true.

He's faithfully implementing Agenda 47, just like the majority of people in this country elected him to do. And all of those people expected the storm before the calm.

Re: Only Teslas exempt from new auto tariffs thanks to 85% domestic content rule

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Post by decimalenough »

Aurornis wrote: post #128
asdsadasdasd123 wrote: post #42

I dont understand what this article means. Tesla's aren't imported so why would there be tariffs on them. The source link leads nowhere.

The article is really bad. Even the original source is just an off-hand comment from Lutnick, not the final regulation. The idea is that automakers will get special exemptions from the tariffs for what they do import. Handing out tariff exemptions was one of the red flags people were raising during this process. It becomes a lever the administration can pull to grant favor to specific companies. Everyone else suffers…

Fact sheet: https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/2025/04/addr...

"Final" regulation: https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/2025/04/addr...

Re: Only Teslas exempt from new auto tariffs thanks to 85% domestic content rule

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Post by TylerE »

woah wrote: post #106
Brian_K_White wrote: post #29

I am kind of surprised that the collection of people at the tops of all the big companies commanding so many billions, don't have some sort of behind the scenes levers they can pull to make him squeal like a pig, elected office or no. I can only assume they're all actually largely ok with it. I would not have imagined that they just never thought about things like that in general and now have actually no idea what to…

You're so wedded to your overly simplistic and conspiratorial worldview that everything is a secret plan by "the elites", that now you've had to invent a new conspiracy about how they all had a secret plan to lose themselves billions of dollars. Sometimes a stupid guy gets elected by low-information voters, and enacts stupid policies that crash the economy. There isn't any secret illuminati meeting where they can tel…

Dude, Trump and Elon are literally the Elite. Take your blinders off.
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