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Re: Only Teslas exempt from new auto tariffs thanks to 85% domestic content rule

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Post by marcusb »

unsnap_biceps wrote: post #54
marcusb wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I see them quite frequently where I live, usually covered in a vinyl wrap advertising some local business or other.

There appears to be someone in my local city that is using their cybertruck as a billboard. They drive around during rush hours and every week or so they switch the wrap to a different company. I wonder if it's being widely done elsewhere.

I haven't seen anything like that where I live. I see the same businesses over and over, and often see them parked at or near the business in question.

Re: Only Teslas exempt from new auto tariffs thanks to 85% domestic content rule

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Post by [deleted] »

nostromo wrote: post #67
gkoberger wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why 85% and not 80%? It’s an arbitrary cutoff that happens to benefit Elon. Ford will quickly get to 85%, but you can’t deny this is yet again a move that is touted as “pro-America” yet somehow mainly benefits Musk (or Trump or someone in their orbit).

Three Tesla models meet the 85% threshold and three do not. If Tesla was writing these rules, surely they'd have chosen the 80% threshold instead. I doubt they see the Ford Mustang as being in their same target market, and wouldn't be a reason to increase the standard.

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Re: Only Teslas exempt from new auto tariffs thanks to 85% domestic content rule

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Post by jrflowers »

throwaway48476 wrote: post #58
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #15

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> would also appreciate if the big 3 American car companies had 85% American content Versus 80%? Those five percentage points are worth a double-digit tariff.

5 percentage points should be easy enough for them to change then by moving a few supply chains.

Your answer to the question “Is the 5% between 80 and 85% worth a double-digit tariff?” here is “Yes. A double digit tariff on a car that is 80% made in America makes sense.”

Right?

Re: Only Teslas exempt from new auto tariffs thanks to 85% domestic content rule

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Post by qwerpy »

tedunangst wrote: post #47
socalgal2 wrote: post #34

I don't know if it's the same people but many of the comments here seem the opposite of the comments on EUs rules where people say they're targeting specific companies and comments say "no, the rules are such than all companies over a certain size are covered". If the rule is 85% domestic than any company can do it. I'm not saying the tariffs are good. Only that their point is to get things made domesticly

It's different when I like the rules.

Washington state is going in the other direction: https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/politics/wa-legisl...

I'm sure the targeted aspect of that one is applauded by the same side that is unhappy about this tariff.

At least in the tariff case, it's an objective numerical target and probably even achievable by other manufacturers. Ford is only 5% away from the target for some of its models.

Re: Only Teslas exempt from new auto tariffs thanks to 85% domestic content rule

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Post by viraptor »

socalgal2 wrote: post #34

I don't know if it's the same people but many of the comments here seem the opposite of the comments on EUs rules where people say they're targeting specific companies and comments say "no, the rules are such than all companies over a certain size are covered". If the rule is 85% domestic than any company can do it. I'm not saying the tariffs are good. Only that their point is to get things made domesticly

It's not just the idea in isolation though. I don't think anyone would complain much if the rule was "in N mths the threshold is X". Everyone could do the necessary adjustments and play by the same rules. But if the rule applies immediately, favours the guy who gave you millions, and impacts the competition financially where they need to make me investments to comply with the rules... yeah, that stinks even if it looks like a generic rule.

Re: Only Teslas exempt from new auto tariffs thanks to 85% domestic content rule

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Post by marcusb »

cwmoore wrote: post #80
unsnap_biceps wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There appears to be someone in my local city that is using their cybertruck as a billboard. They drive around during rush hours and every week or so they switch the wrap to a different company. I wonder if it's being widely done elsewhere.

I saw a plain white one that could represent a drywall business.

My wife says the wrapped ones of any color look better than stock. She thinks the stock ones look like toasters, and that Tesla should have painted two red/orange stripes along the tonneau cover to complete the stock look.

Re: Only Teslas exempt from new auto tariffs thanks to 85% domestic content rule

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Post by gjsman-1000 »

cogman10 wrote: post #81
gjsman-1000 wrote: post #36

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> They stood back and did nothing There's no reason to have a full allergic reaction to a mosquito bite.

The mob was literally minutes away from congressional people. They further kept those same congresspeople surrounded and locked up for hours until Trump called them off. Ashley Babbitt died because she broken through the last barrier between the mob and congress. Had this mob been armed (and there were plans of being armed that were ultimately scuttled), it could have been a blood bath. There was only a handful of LE…

You're exaggerating to try to make a point, but I'm not convinced.

You're saying that it could have been much worse if the mob had gotten into Congress, followed by if the mob had offed Democrats, followed by if the Republicans then rubber stamped it and didn't have their own objections, followed by if the Supreme Court was also killed or if the Supreme Court chose to take no action and if the states involved like California also decided to go along with everything and if the military leadership also had no objections assuming of course that no republicans or Trump himself died at any point through the process.

That's so implausible to chain it all together, I might as well make a similar case for a group of guys with bombs in their cars.

Re: Only Teslas exempt from new auto tariffs thanks to 85% domestic content rule

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Post by cosmicgadget »

ryandrake wrote: post #75
legitster wrote: post #53

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Trump was never actually a "free market" idealogue. And the GOP officially dropped any mentions of it from their party platform a few years ago. If anything, they are doing exactly what they promised. They were against globalism and elites and international agreements and governance and they are being true to their words.

If I was forced to say one good thing about the guy, it's that he is quickly and faithfully delivering on his campaign promises, moreso than any other president that ever served in my lifetime. He's blasting right through the Project 2025 checklist and doing exactly what he said he'd do. Those campaign promises are destructive, thoughtless, cruel, and self-serving, but he said he'd do them, was elected, and then subs…

While I agree with the sentiment that he is not backing down from a lot of his batshit promises, let's not forget that he made a lot of promises. The Russian invasion didn't end on day 1 or day 100 and he decided to only strongarm one side - iirc he said he would threaten Ukraine with withdrawing support and threaten Russia with giving obscene amounts of support to Ukraine.

Re: Only Teslas exempt from new auto tariffs thanks to 85% domestic content rule

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Post by _2d30 »

rectang wrote: post #7

I have zero faith in "free market" ideologues, because what we actually get when they gain power is just favoritism for "free market" ideologues.

Trump has literally been prattling about his love of tariffs for decades and was explicit about his plans to heavily leverage tariffs during his campaign..

I think you might just want an excuse to believe what you already believe

Re: Only Teslas exempt from new auto tariffs thanks to 85% domestic content rule

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Post by alwa »

gehwartzen wrote: post #31

How is the unit for domestic component content defined? Is a screw a component in the same way a windshield is? Is it by weight? By cost?

It appears that the American Automobile Labeling Act measures domestic content on a value basis (that is, the amount the manufacturer pays the supplier for it):

https://www.nhtsa.gov/part-583-american-automobile-labeling-...

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