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Only Teslas exempt from new auto tariffs thanks to 85% domestic content rule

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Re: Only Teslas exempt from new auto tariffs thanks to 85% domestic content rule

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post #7

I have zero faith in "free market" ideologues, because what we actually get when they gain power is just favoritism for "free market" ideologues.

You can extend the "free market ideologues" to include more groups such as those who were very concerned about free speech for exactly four years from 2021-2024. Same people were concerned about politicization of justice department, but only when certain Presidents are in office. Same goes for "respect for constitution". "Family values" was abandoned quite a while ago. Wilhoit’s Law has never been truer.

Can't forget being "for the rule of law".

Re: Only Teslas exempt from new auto tariffs thanks to 85% domestic content rule

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I am kind of surprised that the collection of people at the tops of all the big companies commanding so many billions, don't have some sort of behind the scenes levers they can pull to make him squeal like a pig, elected office or no. I can only assume they're all actually largely ok with it. I would not have imagined that they just never thought about things like that in general and now have actually no idea what to…

Why aren't you assuming the opposite -- that these mythical levers don't actually exist?

Re: Only Teslas exempt from new auto tariffs thanks to 85% domestic content rule

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post #7

I have zero faith in "free market" ideologues, because what we actually get when they gain power is just favoritism for "free market" ideologues.

Same. This era has exposed them as the shameless hypocrites they are.

There is not and has never been any trace of free speech or free market "ideology" from Trump. Perhaps as a talking point but never in any policy or action. Trump is the anti-libertarian, severely authoritarian and moving things toward a centrally planned economy!

Re: Only Teslas exempt from new auto tariffs thanks to 85% domestic content rule

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post #33

It’s funny cybertruck doesn’t make the cut, unfortunately nobody buys those so it’s irrelevant.

I see them quite frequently where I live, usually covered in a vinyl wrap advertising some local business or other.

Re: Only Teslas exempt from new auto tariffs thanks to 85% domestic content rule

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nonsense. Does anyone seriously think the military is going to defy SCOTUS at the end of the four years? Does anyone seriously think Jan 6th, bad as it was, was going to end the republic[0]? Such hyperbole is dangerous at best when people take it seriously. [0] Especially because what it tells our enemies. Iran, take out just this one specific building, and America is done for!

Oh I thought the military takes orders from the Command-in-Chief. Silly me. Maybe Alito and Thomas can tell the Joint Chiefs to provide protection to the Proud Boys to storm the Capitol in 2028.

> takes orders from the Command-in-Chief

They do, but Congress and the Supreme Court selected by Congress together define who this figure is. There is no sign that the military was prepared to defy either.

Re: Only Teslas exempt from new auto tariffs thanks to 85% domestic content rule

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I don't know if it's the same people but many of the comments here seem the opposite of the comments on EUs rules where people say they're targeting specific companies and comments say "no, the rules are such than all companies over a certain size are covered". If the rule is 85% domestic than any company can do it. I'm not saying the tariffs are good. Only that their point is to get things made domesticly

It's different when I like the rules.

Re: Only Teslas exempt from new auto tariffs thanks to 85% domestic content rule

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post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Right so let’s give credit to the fine people who work at Tesla , not the wealthy child who swooped in at the end and claimed all the work as his. In other words: literally anyone except Elon Musk.

Musk became CEO of Tesla when their only car was an electric converted Lotus...

Yeah, I think we should try to separate his business acumen from his nut-case personality. He can be a successful businessman AND a fucking prick.

Re: Only Teslas exempt from new auto tariffs thanks to 85% domestic content rule

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I am kind of surprised that the collection of people at the tops of all the big companies commanding so many billions, don't have some sort of behind the scenes levers they can pull to make him squeal like a pig, elected office or no. I can only assume they're all actually largely ok with it. I would not have imagined that they just never thought about things like that in general and now have actually no idea what to…

Most people feel like hapless midwits, and we know that most of us actually are. Yet we have this tendency to assume, for some weird reason, that people in important positions have their shit together more than we do. Only in emergencies and times of crisis do we see that no one has their shit together. When we see that, we want to blame it on conspiracy or some sort of 5-dimensional chess being played, because it goes against the safe notion that someone, somewhere, is steering the boat (even if we don't like where they're taking us). But the safer bet is that no one is steering, and no one actually can steer, and that it's incompetence all the way to to the top.
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