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China tells its AI leaders to avoid U.S. travel over security concerns

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Re: China tells its AI leaders to avoid U.S. travel over security concerns

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Post by tw1984 »

colordrops wrote: post #259
gyomu wrote: post #63

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The real reason why states are pouring billions into AI isn't to generate silly emoji, help people rewrite their emails, or make a web app without learning how to code. It's for autonomous drone warfare. Invading a neighboring nation doesn't seem too appealing if it means sending tens/hundreds of thousands of your young people (a resource that's getting scarcer and scarcer most everywhere in the world) to the meat gr…

Online propaganda is insanely powerful too. Not sure if many noticed, but the English put out by Chinese teams is often perfect these days.

because there is something called AI - you put your crap into it and ask the AI to do all corrections and improvements for you.

it is also free.

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Post by csomar »

echelon wrote: post #83
neilv wrote: post #45

This is unfortunate, but understood. I worked in a university research spinout US-China multinational AI hardware startup, and (without getting into confidential information, but only speaking of general engineering practice) I can mention that both nations' government concerns could be barriers. And some rules can be counterproductive for the one making the rule, even from a competitive perspective -- not even turni…

> I hope that this sharing will continue and increase It will continue until they pass us. They're coming from behind, and releasing models as open source essentially wipes the board of hundreds of American startups. Growth hackers and solopreneurs like @levelsio can be nipping at the heels of $300M funded companies who poured all of their points into training models, making expensive mistakes, and overpaying for com…

I find this a good thing as the end consumer. Not sure why I get a negative vibe from your comment but maybe I have misread?

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Post by j7ake »

nxm wrote: post #64
scrollaway wrote: post #38

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As an EU-based employer, I'm seeing a post-WW2 soviet vs usa style defection of engineers between USA and Europe. By the way, if anyone US-based is in this situation and wants to "defect" to an EU-job, send me a message, I can help you.

Not many will take a massive pay cut only to pay more taxes

If you have kids the math works out in favour for many European countries.

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Post by ande-mnoc »

YZF wrote: post #243
ande-mnoc wrote: post #233

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Your snarky tone aside, “overseas” usually means outside of one’s country. Microsoft has research teams all over the globe. You don’t have to be in the U.S. to work for Microsoft.

I know what overseas means and I realize Microsoft has teams all over the globe. But Microsoft is a US company and by working there as a researcher you are trained and have access to know-how that is technically American in origin. The intent of the original "boast" is to somehow claim the know-how comes solely out of China. It's boasting about China's abilities to generate cutting edge technology without reliance on…

> The intent of the original "boast" is to somehow claim the know-how comes solely out of China.

No, it isn’t. It’s likely they mean they haven’t studied aboard or have worked in the U.S., which has been long seen as a prerequisite to innovate in the tech industry there.

My original comment was merely citing what they think. It’s unfortunate that you cannot tell the difference between describing and endorsing.

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Post by ipaddr »

TheSpiceIsLife wrote: post #240
ipaddr wrote: post #89

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If everyone has them they are more likely to be used over minor issues.

When? There’s no evidence that is the case. It has been eighty years since a nuclear weapon was used in an act of aggression. It would appear a state sort of only really comes to have nuclear weapons when it has got its act together sufficiently to be well enough behaved to not use them. A sort of maturation process, if you will. The meek[1] shall inherit the Earth, and all of that. If we’ve got data, let’s go with t…

It has been threatened recently by a few nations. It almost got set off by mistake.

Increasing the odds by introducing hundreds of players some willing to gas their own people is rolling the dice. The few countries that have the ability has been responsible but that does not mean that will always be the case or new players will be as responsible.

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Post by suraci »

YZF wrote: post #248
suraci wrote: post #232

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> we don't know if she is guilty or not > random Canadian citizens( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Detention_of_Michael_Spavor_an... ) > Anyways, this is what a rule of law looks like I like the tongue geeze i don't know how to express it that how much i like this

I'm not sure what point you're trying to make here. Yes. Everyone knows I'm referring to the two Michaels. The party that is rogue in this whole story is China. Even if the conduct of the US authorities here is/was suspect the retaliatory arrests is how the Mafia operates. I am not a fan of the way the US and Canada behaved here but at the end of the day for the most part Meng Wanzhou was not locked up, she had a lux…

> Even if the conduct of the US authorities here is/was suspect the retaliatory arrests is how the Mafia operates

when i said "Many Americans are complicit through their silence, denials, and defense."

i didn't expect such a combo...

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Post by blackeyeblitzar »

gildas wrote: post #202
jakeogh wrote: post #194

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No worries though, Germany is raiding peoples houses for offending people online. Please spare me the "only for Holocaust deniers" thing.

I'm sorry but it's normal. You don't have the right to offend people online or not.

You can’t have free speech without being able to offend. And you can’t have democracy without free speech.

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Post by throwaway2037 »

jltsiren wrote: post #236
hansvm wrote: post #132

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> salary comparison was valid pre-Trump Is it not valid now?

Salaries must be weighted by risk. Right now, there is a high risk that researchers funded by grants or working in government labs will lose their jobs and faculty will lose their grants and labs. Industry researchers are in a more stable situation, even though layoffs may be more common than on the average. And if we focus specifically on the academia, American salaries have never been that high. Sure the numbers in…

    > I've worked at a foreign university where grad students on dual income could buy a starter home.
Where? And why didn't you stay?

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Post by bunabhucan »

atq2119 wrote: post #9
germandiago wrote: post #6

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I often say states behave as mafias. It is a matter of becoming influential enough so that they treat you as a criminal. In the meantime, the streets every day less and less safe, at least in Europe, bc of real criminals, the ones that kill or systematically steal even in organized crime and they do very little about it.

In the European countries that I've bothered to look, crime statistics are actually down. It's just the perception of crime that is up. Think about who might benefit from creating this kind of misleading perception.

When my american kids are slagging my Belgian half brother he shuts them down by offering a visit to the school he went to, you know, through the unlocked non bulletproof front door. Their schools have vestibules with intercoms and such.
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