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China tells its AI leaders to avoid U.S. travel over security concerns

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Post by whynotminot »

rcpt wrote: post #173
immibis wrote: post #166

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Remember though, China is still a totalitarian dictatorship at least as bad as the USA. It's not the same situation.

I don't think we'll see born-in-the-USA Americans moving to Shenzhen anytime soon. But a huge fraction of our workforce is immigrants who have given up their homeland and distanced themselves from their families and communities in search of opportunities here. The fact that we're driving them away now does not bode well for our future economy.

A lot of immigrant communities actually voted for Donald Trump this time though. I don’t understand it. But it happened.

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Post by baby_souffle »

Philpax wrote: post #121
Zamiel_Snawley wrote: post #102

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I think this is the best economic function of open source—it forces innovation by elimination of rent seeking. If you sit on your laurels, someone will make a solution thats at least 70% as good for free.

It's a nice sentiment and I agree, but I'm not sure we'll see this applied to AI going forward. These training runs cost a lot of money - at some point, every player in the game will realise that they need to charge something or they'll left without enough chips to play in the next round. DeepSeek's altruism has taken them far, but they have costs, too, and High Flyer / their personal warchest can only take them so f…

I think there's always going to be somebody that doesn't want to bother with the complexities of setting up a model to run locally.

Spending way too much time trying to track down a very particular version of a GPU driver or similar just isn't going to be worth it if you can make an API call to some remote endpoint that's already done the heavy lifting.

Plenty of value in handling the hard part so your customer doesn't have to.

I don't know how much of the current focus on local models comes from privacy concerns, but at least some does. Once there's something like the gdpr but for data provided for inference, I think even more people will put down the docker containers and pick up the rest endpoints.

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Post by dataviz1000 »

neilv wrote: post #45

This is unfortunate, but understood. I worked in a university research spinout US-China multinational AI hardware startup, and (without getting into confidential information, but only speaking of general engineering practice) I can mention that both nations' government concerns could be barriers. And some rules can be counterproductive for the one making the rule, even from a competitive perspective -- not even turni…

> they are natural friends

December, flying out of Thailand I spent one night in Bangkok. Looking for a bar late for one or two drinks after I settled into my hotel I saw two guys, one Chinese and other Russian, stumbling out of a building a few doors down from my hotel. I asked, "Is that a bar or a brothel? I'm looking for a bar." They laughed saying they were looking for a bar too and it was a brothel which is why they were leaving. The Chinese guy said he knows where to find some bars and they invited me to join them. The Russian stopped in a ganja shop on the way.

The Russian in his late twenties left a few years ago to avoid conscription. Least I could do to show my appreciation for his dedication to world peace was buy him drinks for the rest of the night. So .... A Chinese, Russian, and American walk into a bar ... and the jokes write themselves. The shenanigans and tuk tuk rides that ensued continued till the sun came up.

One of the more interesting aspects of going to Stuyvesant High School in the 90s was a very large portion of my classmates and subsequently friends were born in communist China or Soviet Union who travelled on the F Train from either direction. I was reminded of some aspects of my teenage years like hanging out with a group friends who were born in either China or Russia.

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Post by jakeogh »

gildas wrote: post #182
jakeogh wrote: post #172

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blink ... They outlawed silent prayer.

The UK left EU some years ago.

No worries though, Germany is raiding peoples houses for offending people online. Please spare me the "only for Holocaust deniers" thing.

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Post by MichaelZuo »

77pt77 wrote: post #184
MichaelZuo wrote: post #177

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This seems like a tautology. By definition someone with superior political power can grind down someone else with less, if they were maniacal enough about it, or at least negate their efforts. If they couldn’t, then they wouldn’t be considered to have superior political power.

It's more than that. With enough power differential that won't even be a consideration.

Even perfect equals in an ideal spherical cow world can still engage in a 1 v 1 drag down fight.

Re: China tells its AI leaders to avoid U.S. travel over security concerns

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Post by 77pt77 »

MichaelZuo wrote: post #195
77pt77 wrote: post #184

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It's more than that. With enough power differential that won't even be a consideration.

Even perfect equals in an ideal spherical cow world can still engage in a 1 v 1 drag down fight.

Spherical beef is better than Wagyu!

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Post by somelamer567 »

addicted wrote: post #76

Unsurprising considering the U.S. has been arresting and imprisoning Chinese and American academics with highly prestigious positions in well known universities because they forgot to mention a conference in China they were paid to speak at a decade ago.

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Post by ycuser2 »

neuralkoi wrote: post #159
neilv wrote: post #45

This is unfortunate, but understood. I worked in a university research spinout US-China multinational AI hardware startup, and (without getting into confidential information, but only speaking of general engineering practice) I can mention that both nations' government concerns could be barriers. And some rules can be counterproductive for the one making the rule, even from a competitive perspective -- not even turni…

When nations attack each other, often innocent people are the ones that end up suffering.

Not often, but always.
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