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China tells its AI leaders to avoid U.S. travel over security concerns

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Re: China tells its AI leaders to avoid U.S. travel over security concerns

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Post by NalNezumi »

nxm wrote: post #64
scrollaway wrote: post #38

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As an EU-based employer, I'm seeing a post-WW2 soviet vs usa style defection of engineers between USA and Europe. By the way, if anyone US-based is in this situation and wants to "defect" to an EU-job, send me a message, I can help you.

Not many will take a massive pay cut only to pay more taxes

I'd say this is a self-fulfilling prophecy of the American social structure.

Sure, in America why would anyone move from State A to State B to get less paid and pay more taxes. The social conditions are (in a wide-stroke) the same.

This is ofc not the case if you move to say, Europe or SK/Japan. The amount of money you need to live a similar socio-economic lifestyle is different.

And we already know that many people don't put certain value to increased income past a certain threshold (people want to feel safe and well-off; not necessarily be a millionare). We are in the HN/US-Tech bubble so ofc it feels like "everyone want to be the next Zucc with their startup" but if you once leave that bubble, you'll notice that most people are not a over-fitted model to one metric called income.

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Post by nevertoolate »

hungryhobo wrote: post #112
cscurmudgeon wrote: post #60

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I mean every country has their epstein. western media likes to pick the chinese ones cause they make a good china bad story. Hundreds of chinese like myself travel from and to china each year, I'm surprised it's hard for you to imagine regular chinese people can enjoy life in china.

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Re: China tells its AI leaders to avoid U.S. travel over security concerns

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Post by fooker »

dluan wrote: post #75
throwaway48476 wrote: post #70

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HN comments trying to argue that the cold war red scare was righteous is very on brand for 2025.

> red scare

You understand that a contemporary communist country had just murdered a few million of their own civilians, yes?

Re: China tells its AI leaders to avoid U.S. travel over security concerns

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Post by angry_moose »

katmannthree wrote: post #78
angry_moose wrote: post #62

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As someone who has been looking; the EU Blue Card through Germany seems pretty stable and straightforward, with a 21/27 month path to permanent residency, depending on language ability: https://www.make-it-in-germany.com/en/visa-residence/types/e... The politics there are a little concerning at the moment but should be stable for at least 4 years. With residency, the rest of the EU becomes a lot easier if things chan…

Thank you for the link. How is Germany looking RE economic stability for the next couple of years? I was looking into Sweden but even the Swedish citizens I know there are having a difficult time finding / keeping engineering jobs as the economy has been doing poorly.

Like anything, really hard to say right now.

My impression is there's some weakness from the auto industry struggling which is flooding the job market; but there's a lot of upside. They're investing big in a lot of new industries that don't even really exist in the US (energy related).

Rheinmetall and the rest of the defense industry seems like its set to really take off over the next few years, which even if you aren't eligible for (citizenship requirements), it'll lead to other industries needing labor though.

I'm not from there and don't follow it super closely so am not an expert, but that's kindof been my read on it.

For what its worth, this started because I struggle to find 2-3 jobs in the US per week worth applying for in my field. I can find 8-10 a day over there without much trouble (had several interviews, 2 final rounds, 1 "you weren't a fit for this role, but we really want to talk to you again in May").

Re: China tells its AI leaders to avoid U.S. travel over security concerns

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Post by LPisGood »

tensor wrote: post #129
ideashower wrote: post #111

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Yeah this feels right, Americans will choose leveraging their English before seeking out needing to learn a non-Romance language, I feel.

Language? What about principles of freedom, democracy, and science? I would think that those things would be why US scientists choose Canada and Europe first. I doubt language is really high on the list.

Language and ease of immigration are going to be very important to the decision of where to move. Naturally, those things you mentioned are important, but so is language.

Re: China tells its AI leaders to avoid U.S. travel over security concerns

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Post by fieldcny »

throwaway48476 wrote: post #80
dluan wrote: post #75

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HN comments trying to argue that the cold war red scare was righteous is very on brand for 2025.

You know when the cold war ended the archives briefly opened up. It's not a moral case, merely a factual one.

As is the case that Trump, Musk, Vance and Thiel are Russian assets.

It’s just common sense to use Trumps own words.

Just remember that as these people drag us into a war for “peace”

Re: China tells its AI leaders to avoid U.S. travel over security concerns

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Post by gildas »

sepositus wrote: post #144
scrollaway wrote: post #38

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As an EU-based employer, I'm seeing a post-WW2 soviet vs usa style defection of engineers between USA and Europe. By the way, if anyone US-based is in this situation and wants to "defect" to an EU-job, send me a message, I can help you.

Funny, I’m literally seeing the opposite. Had two people move from the EU last year due to free speech concerns.

One doesn't preclude the other, but I have serious doubts about free speech concerns. There are moderate and extreme movements in Europe. They all express themselves freely within the law.

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Post by gunian »

landryraccoon wrote: post #141
Nevermark wrote: post #117

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All we need is nukes? I think you might be counting on way too many decision makers to remain rational and wise enough to avoid and defuse non-trivial situations that want to escalate. In the 8 billion times 8 billion potential nuclear exchanges that universal nuke would enable (64 quadrillion!), there is at least one scary bad one. At any time of day. That you are standing too near. Please acknowledge my wisdom here…

Sounds like a very strong incentive for us to find a way to leave the planet and settle elsewhere.

nah jesus says that's a sin we can only stay here with our heavenly chosen barons or go to heaven or hell

Re: China tells its AI leaders to avoid U.S. travel over security concerns

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Post by neuralkoi »

neilv wrote: post #45

This is unfortunate, but understood. I worked in a university research spinout US-China multinational AI hardware startup, and (without getting into confidential information, but only speaking of general engineering practice) I can mention that both nations' government concerns could be barriers. And some rules can be counterproductive for the one making the rule, even from a competitive perspective -- not even turni…

When nations attack each other, often innocent people are the ones that end up suffering.

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Post by gunian »

CamperBob2 wrote: post #145
77pt77 wrote: post #138

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They were on Japan and plenty of people pushed for a preemptive strike on the USSR. "John von Neumann" was a very famous and influential person defending just that.

Smart guy, von Neumann. We should've listened to him.

lmao think of all the jobs the CIA would have had to cut

bad citizen don't you want all the marines and special forces to be employed?

just wow what would jesus say we both know he hates all the savages but he loves jobs more

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