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China tells its AI leaders to avoid U.S. travel over security concerns

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Re: China tells its AI leaders to avoid U.S. travel over security concerns

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Post by gsf_emergency_2 »

dekhn wrote: post #52

This reminds me of the historical period when London and Berlin were the two technology centers of the world, in intense competition to develop the next generation of math, science, and applications to military. Most scientists in one country did not read the output of the other country, although in some cases, the Danes or the Dutch would translate interesting research. A scientist from London visiting Berlin (and v…

The Dutch make a big deal* out of the Mayflower cohort having done a significant transit in their city.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leiden_American_Pilgrim_Museum

Who knows if Ukraine will ever play such a historic role as the Netherlands, but it's nice to dream about

Taiwan could defo step up since they are already in their Golden Age

(And where shall the asylum seekers from US stopover?)

*big for the Dutch

Re: China tells its AI leaders to avoid U.S. travel over security concerns

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Post by angry_moose »

katmannthree wrote: post #56
scrollaway wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As an EU-based employer, I'm seeing a post-WW2 soviet vs usa style defection of engineers between USA and Europe. By the way, if anyone US-based is in this situation and wants to "defect" to an EU-job, send me a message, I can help you.

What’s your take on near-term stability for American immigrants in Europe? I was looking at options for moving last year but the work visa situation seemed fairly precarious (although that’s a relative thing in comparison with what may end up happening here in the US).

As someone who has been looking; the EU Blue Card through Germany seems pretty stable and straightforward, with a 21/27 month path to permanent residency, depending on language ability:

https://www.make-it-in-germany.com/en/visa-residence/types/e...

The politics there are a little concerning at the moment but should be stable for at least 4 years. With residency, the rest of the EU becomes a lot easier if things change.

Re: China tells its AI leaders to avoid U.S. travel over security concerns

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Post by gyomu »

kasey_junk wrote: post #27

The interesting thing in this article isn’t that China is telling people to avoid the US for national security reasons. Many states, including the US have similar guidance to people who work in jobs sensitive to national security. What’s interesting is that China is viewing AI tech as a technology vital to their security.

The real reason why states are pouring billions into AI isn't to generate silly emoji, help people rewrite their emails, or make a web app without learning how to code.

It's for autonomous drone warfare.

Invading a neighboring nation doesn't seem too appealing if it means sending tens/hundreds of thousands of your young people (a resource that's getting scarcer and scarcer most everywhere in the world) to the meat grinder. Millions of drones though...

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Post by nxm »

scrollaway wrote: post #38
NalNezumi wrote: post #36

I wonder if given the recent "moral" loss of US, we will see a post-WW2 Soviet vs USA style defection of scientists & engineers between USA and China? When you read the reasoning of people that defected from UK/US to soviet with nuclear secrets it's kinda hard to grasp now, but back then I can definitely understand that a mix of "the soviets are not that bad" and "are we really that good?" could've made people switch…

As an EU-based employer, I'm seeing a post-WW2 soviet vs usa style defection of engineers between USA and Europe. By the way, if anyone US-based is in this situation and wants to "defect" to an EU-job, send me a message, I can help you.

Not many will take a massive pay cut only to pay more taxes

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Post by im3w1l »

kasey_junk wrote: post #27

The interesting thing in this article isn’t that China is telling people to avoid the US for national security reasons. Many states, including the US have similar guidance to people who work in jobs sensitive to national security. What’s interesting is that China is viewing AI tech as a technology vital to their security.

It seems to not be about national security, as much as personal security. You know like when America tells it's citizens not to go to Burkina Faso because it's dangerous.

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Post by Gathering6678 »

russli1993 wrote: post #35
tz18 wrote: post #15

No, this is just about keeping people from defecting and taking secrets / cash with them. Many Chinese people working for state controlled companies or similar (schoolteachers were one ridiculous example I think) in super mundane jobs have their passports taken away or exit bans for "national security" reasons.

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Maybe visit your nearest US consulate to see how many are trying to get into the States, despite all the ** things in recent years.

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Post by Leary »

tedeh wrote: post #12

When did Sam Altman last visit China?

As recent as 2017.

"Earlier this year, I noticed something in China that really surprised me. I realized I felt more comfortable discussing controversial ideas in Beijing than in San Francisco. I didn’t feel completely comfortable—this was China, after all—just more comfortable than at home."

https://blog.samaltman.com/e-pur-si-muove

He also mentions giving a talk for YC in China in 2018:

https://blog.samaltman.com/idea-generation

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Post by blindriver »

I worked at a well-known company that told us we couldn't bring any work electronic devices to China, because there was a risk malware could be installed on it. They advised us not to bring any personal electronic devices either, like phones because they could be confiscated at the border and returned with malware installed on it.

It makes sense that this happens.

I'm curious why they haven't attempted to tighten the screws on Tesla since Elon's position has weakened and they can really put him in a bad spot if they force him to give up something to them.

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Post by mkoubaa »

smilekzs wrote: post #18
mkoubaa wrote: post #13

The sweet spot: Good enough at AI to make 7 figures. Not good enough to personally be a geopolitical pawn.

Apparently 7 figures is the new 6 figures...

I thought it went without saying, but being good enough at AI to make 7 figures isn't attainable for most people.

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Post by throwaway48476 »

dluan wrote: post #59
NalNezumi wrote: post #36

I wonder if given the recent "moral" loss of US, we will see a post-WW2 Soviet vs USA style defection of scientists & engineers between USA and China? When you read the reasoning of people that defected from UK/US to soviet with nuclear secrets it's kinda hard to grasp now, but back then I can definitely understand that a mix of "the soviets are not that bad" and "are we really that good?" could've made people switch…

It's already been happening for years. Award winning faculty and scientists are fleeing US universities and institutions and setting up shop in China, often with more funding and talent available, and no McCarthyism accusations of being spies. It started officially in 2018 with the US Department of Justice's "China Initiative", which basically just allowed anyone to go on a witch hunt of Chinese and Chinese American…

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