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China tells its AI leaders to avoid U.S. travel over security concerns

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Re: China tells its AI leaders to avoid U.S. travel over security concerns

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No, this is just about keeping people from defecting and taking secrets / cash with them. Many Chinese people working for state controlled companies or similar (schoolteachers were one ridiculous example I think) in super mundane jobs have their passports taken away or exit bans for "national security" reasons.

This was commonplace in the Soviet Union.

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As an EU-based employer, I'm seeing a post-WW2 soviet vs usa style defection of engineers between USA and Europe. By the way, if anyone US-based is in this situation and wants to "defect" to an EU-job, send me a message, I can help you.

Not many will take a massive pay cut only to pay more taxes

You’re incorrect. Many will and do.

US life is more plentiful in terms of cash but not in terms of hard value. Why do you think we get so many American tourists?

Unfortunately Europe is full of self inflicted wounds, especially around entrepreneurship, but we are working on those.

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Maybe visit your nearest US consulate to see how many are trying to get into the States, despite all the ** things in recent years.

You will be surprised to learn then that it's fallen dramatically. Like in just the last 5 years the perception is completely different, especially among young people.

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I wonder if given the recent "moral" loss of US, we will see a post-WW2 Soviet vs USA style defection of scientists & engineers between USA and China? When you read the reasoning of people that defected from UK/US to soviet with nuclear secrets it's kinda hard to grasp now, but back then I can definitely understand that a mix of "the soviets are not that bad" and "are we really that good?" could've made people switch…

I'm thinking most of new and established STEM PhDs, who'll decide where in the world to settle in, or relocate to, to do research or R&D.

We Web/app programmers are a dime a dozen, unique-skills-wise.

But the loss of an individual with much more rare scientific knowledge/skill/ideas can be felt much more acutely by the country that alienates them.

(Counterintuitive techbro salaries vs. academic salaries aside.)

Re: China tells its AI leaders to avoid U.S. travel over security concerns

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It's already been happening for years. Award winning faculty and scientists are fleeing US universities and institutions and setting up shop in China, often with more funding and talent available, and no McCarthyism accusations of being spies. It started officially in 2018 with the US Department of Justice's "China Initiative", which basically just allowed anyone to go on a witch hunt of Chinese and Chinese American…

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HN comments trying to argue that the cold war red scare was righteous is very on brand for 2025.

Re: China tells its AI leaders to avoid U.S. travel over security concerns

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Unsurprising considering the U.S. has been arresting and imprisoning Chinese and American academics with highly prestigious positions in well known universities because they forgot to mention a conference in China they were paid to speak at a decade ago.

Re: China tells its AI leaders to avoid U.S. travel over security concerns

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It's already been happening for years. Award winning faculty and scientists are fleeing US universities and institutions and setting up shop in China, often with more funding and talent available, and no McCarthyism accusations of being spies. It started officially in 2018 with the US Department of Justice's "China Initiative", which basically just allowed anyone to go on a witch hunt of Chinese and Chinese American…

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...and? it's a free country, not a paradise for William F. Buckley

Re: China tells its AI leaders to avoid U.S. travel over security concerns

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What’s your take on near-term stability for American immigrants in Europe? I was looking at options for moving last year but the work visa situation seemed fairly precarious (although that’s a relative thing in comparison with what may end up happening here in the US).

As someone who has been looking; the EU Blue Card through Germany seems pretty stable and straightforward, with a 21/27 month path to permanent residency, depending on language ability: https://www.make-it-in-germany.com/en/visa-residence/types/e... The politics there are a little concerning at the moment but should be stable for at least 4 years. With residency, the rest of the EU becomes a lot easier if things chan…

Thank you for the link. How is Germany looking RE economic stability for the next couple of years? I was looking into Sweden but even the Swedish citizens I know there are having a difficult time finding / keeping engineering jobs as the economy has been doing poorly.

Re: China tells its AI leaders to avoid U.S. travel over security concerns

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HN comments trying to argue that the cold war red scare was righteous is very on brand for 2025.

You know when the cold war ended the archives briefly opened up. It's not a moral case, merely a factual one.
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