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Re: Plane crashes, overturns during landing at Toronto airport

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> I don't understand why... Spend some time talking to a Libertarian zealot. Not saying that you should believe any of their assertions. Let alone adopt their worldview. But you might get a sense of how less-government-is-always-better "logic" works.

As a half-Libertarian, the problem with a lot of libertarian logic is that it's too black and white. Less government/regulation is good if and only if the underlying market is highly competitive. High competition protects consumers. Examples: restaurants, barbers, tailors, spas, almost anywhere small businesses exist. All ancient, well-functioning industries that are comparatively minimally regulated. The problem wit…

> The problem with deregulating banks is that the banking industry is low-competition. A few corporations dominate the landscape. So deregulation just strengthens the predators.

But that's not a natural state of affairs. Look at the savings and loan scandal! Without the regulation, banking was intensely competitive. Why assume that, if you took the regulation away, banking would take no notice and stay exactly the same?

> All deregulation should be accompanied by an equal effort to foster a massive amount of competition within the industry.

Deregulation is an effort to foster competition within the deregulated industry. Those regulations are barriers to entry, which is why large companies always want more of them.

Re: Plane crashes, overturns during landing at Toronto airport

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Toronto Pearson had wind gusts of 60km/h today. Edit: listing to the ATC audio I think they said gusts in the 30s (man do they ever speak fast and mumble! Enunciate damn it! Unique New York), which is markedly slower than what the Apple Weather app reported for Pearson.

It was gusting at 33kts. 33kt/hr * 1.15mi/kt * 1.609km/mi ~= 61km/hr. The weather app was right. Just different units.

Whoops of course! My mistake

Re: Plane crashes, overturns during landing at Toronto airport

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post #116

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Toronto Pearson had wind gusts of 60km/h today. Edit: listing to the ATC audio I think they said gusts in the 30s (man do they ever speak fast and mumble! Enunciate damn it! Unique New York), which is markedly slower than what the Apple Weather app reported for Pearson.

Remember that ATC will give wind speeds in knots, not km/h.

Doh! My mistake. Thanks for pointing that out

Re: Plane crashes, overturns during landing at Toronto airport

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Here is the first video I saw posted on the aviation subreddit. https://www.reddit.com/r/aviation/comments/1is1qoy/video_of_...

It looks like he didn't flare, just continued strait in. Maybe they lost visibility?

Very strange. Almost like the altimeter setting wasn't set to the right number?

Re: Plane crashes, overturns during landing at Toronto airport

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How is it possible for a plane to be flipped like that? This is terrible..

It was gusting 40 to 70mph at yyz today, RJ9 has a max crosswind landing limit of 32mph... de-crabbed a plane that size on ice in heavy wind, interesting choice.

Cross-winds are bad. I was in Vancouver once flying to Victoria with a co-worker. We were supposed to take a helicopter but the winds were too bad so we caught a plane. Taking off, I'm pretty sure a wing just missed a ground and we looked at each other. Things were OK but it was probably the roughest flight I ever had.

Re: Plane crashes, overturns during landing at Toronto airport

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If anyone's wondering. Based on the link we have, Fatalities: 2025: 77 (2 fatal accidents) 2024: 0 2023: 0 2022: 10 (1) 2021: 0 2020: 9 (1) 2019: 7 (2) 2018: 1 (1) 2017: 0 2016: 0 2015: 0 2014: 0 2013: 13 (2) 2012: 0 2011: 0 2010: 0 We do indeed seem to be having a particularly bad year. It's only February of 2025 and there's been more than double the total deaths than in the past decade

Is Malaysia Airlines Flight 370 missing?

Not US.

Re: Plane crashes, overturns during landing at Toronto airport

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That clip was shot by an amatuer with a hand-held camera, it isn't an airport camera.

No; this was the second to come out that night.

Look at the movement of the frame - it's hand held.

Re: Plane crashes, overturns during landing at Toronto airport

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It looks like he didn't flare, just continued strait in. Maybe they lost visibility?

Very strange. Almost like the altimeter setting wasn't set to the right number?

Doubtful. The radalt should have been screaming "sink rate" or something similar in the cockpit regardless of the pressure setting.

Re: Plane crashes, overturns during landing at Toronto airport

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Doesn’t the Shinkansen and other HSR systems get rid of at grade road crossings? Yes, without people actually crossing in the tracks, you’ll get less deaths that way.

Sounds like getting rid of at-grade road crossings is a good thing, who've thought? Sounds like a good investment to me regardless of rail speed.

This seems like an awfully fanciful idea for anywhere but places with the most dense rail networks per sq km, at least if we're talking a full-scale refactor of existing infrastructure, in terms of financial, physical, logistics.

Is it not somewhat true that rail/freight companies have more authority over the land that their lines run through than the regions do? I may be talking out of my ass here, but I feel cities and provinces in Canada pretty much have to yield to CN or BNSF in some form or another; they operate their own police afaik. Railyards seem to be regarded as defacto permanent fixtures in terms of urban infrastructure.

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