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Plane crashes, overturns during landing at Toronto airport

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Re: Plane crashes, overturns during landing at Toronto airport

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Post by 0134340 »

bell-cot wrote: post #21
lukev wrote: post #18

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> I don't understand why... Spend some time talking to a Libertarian zealot. Not saying that you should believe any of their assertions. Let alone adopt their worldview. But you might get a sense of how less-government-is-always-better "logic" works.

Regulate people because people can do wrong but don't regulate business entities because capitalism will punish their misdeeds.

That's essentially how the "logic" goes. If the airplane company kills people, we just have to stop giving them our business, problem solved, all is good now.

Re: Plane crashes, overturns during landing at Toronto airport

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Post by _moof »

crazygringo wrote: post #30
0xjunhao wrote: post #29

Maybe we should build more railways. The ground is more stable than the air.

Just because the ground is more stable than the air doesn't mean there aren't train collisions. Air travel actually has a lower fatality rate per mile than trains do. Rail crossings can be dangerous places.

The Shinkansen has had one fatality in its entire existence. Domestic air travel is insanity, and I say this as a pilot and a flight instructor.

Re: Plane crashes, overturns during landing at Toronto airport

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Post by matthest »

bell-cot wrote: post #21
lukev wrote: post #18

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> I don't understand why... Spend some time talking to a Libertarian zealot. Not saying that you should believe any of their assertions. Let alone adopt their worldview. But you might get a sense of how less-government-is-always-better "logic" works.

As a half-Libertarian, the problem with a lot of libertarian logic is that it's too black and white.

Less government/regulation is good if and only if the underlying market is highly competitive. High competition protects consumers. Examples: restaurants, barbers, tailors, spas, almost anywhere small businesses exist. All ancient, well-functioning industries that are comparatively minimally regulated.

The problem with deregulating banks is that the banking industry is low-competition. A few corporations dominate the landscape. So deregulation just strengthens the predators.

All deregulation should be accompanied by an equal effort to foster a massive amount of competition within the industry. Otherwise, things can go south rather quickly.

Re: Plane crashes, overturns during landing at Toronto airport

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Post by Gare »

crazygringo wrote: post #30
0xjunhao wrote: post #29

Maybe we should build more railways. The ground is more stable than the air.

Just because the ground is more stable than the air doesn't mean there aren't train collisions. Air travel actually has a lower fatality rate per mile than trains do. Rail crossings can be dangerous places.

Railway crossings are not especially deadly if you're a train passenger. Most deaths are from train-on-train collisions or overspeed derailments.

Re: Plane crashes, overturns during landing at Toronto airport

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Post by elashri »

thegrim33 wrote: post #33
HPMOR wrote: post #17

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_fatal_accidents_and_in... Seems to instantly prove you wrong ..

The comment said specifically "Major" accidents within specific time frame. I don't see anything in your link contradicting them. The claim was not that there were not any accidents.

Re: Plane crashes, overturns during landing at Toronto airport

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Post by mlacks »

mikeyouse wrote: post #10
haunter wrote: post #6

Video from a passanger, the hull is upside down! https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=617972644350232

I know they need to control any possibility of a fire but man would it be a rude awakening to escape a significant plane crash, release your seatbelt while hanging upside down, make it to the exit door and then get sprayed in the face with cold water on a February day in Toronto.

ill take that over consumption by fire

Re: Plane crashes, overturns during landing at Toronto airport

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Post by georgemcbay »

mikeyouse wrote: post #10
haunter wrote: post #6

Video from a passanger, the hull is upside down! https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=617972644350232

I know they need to control any possibility of a fire but man would it be a rude awakening to escape a significant plane crash, release your seatbelt while hanging upside down, make it to the exit door and then get sprayed in the face with cold water on a February day in Toronto.

After feeling like you might have legitimately barely escaped death everything you can feel feels pretty good until the adrenaline high wears off.
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