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Type 2 Diabetes and cardiovascular disease attributable to sugar beverages

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Re: Type 2 Diabetes and cardiovascular disease attributable to sugar beverages

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Good for you. I think for meat especially, there's a difference between the stuff people talk about (like premium steaks they almost never eat) and the reality of what ends up on their plates which is a lot less glamorous. A typical fast food burger just isn't that great in terms of texture, taste, looks, etc. and IMHO almost always disappointingly unsatisfying and slightly uncomfortable afterwards. I'll eat that onc…

Man, as an Indian, this is hard to read. You're spreading a lot of misinformation about Indian food. > Which is possibly also a reason why vegan food is popular in India. First, while there are a lot of tasty Indian vegetarian dishes, vegan food is decidedly not a cultural thing. We use butter and ghee pretty commonly in food: definitely not vegan. India is the world's largest milk producer; also not vegan. That dal…

> And the reason pre-cooked meat pieces are added to curries in restaurants is that we need to get the food to you in 5-7 minutes. We can't cook it leisurely for 25-30 minutes in the gravy like we would do at home. It's called "mise en place" in the restaurant business.

Some years ago I fell into a Youtube rabbit hole of British Indian Restaurants. (Actually most seemed Bangladeshi) In Britian Indian cuisine has a far more "takeout" status. Hence BI restaurants started to deconstruct popular dishes into components which can be prepared in advance and combined into different dishes. It may not be original but I found the process of adaptation rather fascinating.

(Here in Germany it seems rather worse. Also takeout status, but I suspect a lot of takeout orders are simply microwaved stuff.)

Re: Type 2 Diabetes and cardiovascular disease attributable to sugar beverages

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Learn to drink it black, it’s good. But I do get beans and grind them so the brew is much higher quality. I’m assuming you drink that can of grinds for 3 bucks or instant. Those suck

I learned to drink it black, but not for health reasons. I did it to avoid having to depend on sugar a/o milk in order to have a coffee. Plus, nothing says "No nonsense" like "Coffee? Yes, black please."

It"s funny but also true? I have taken my coffee black for years now, having started because I wanted to just simplify my experience with it (among other things in my life). Not that my old coffee order was complex, but being lactose intolerant meant I needed to choose which milk substitute I was going to get, since not all coffee shops carried the same ones back in the day (less of a problem now, from what I understand). I grew to enjoy it black and still drink it that way to this day.

Going back to it, I think the need to simplify things was key for me. We are bombarded with so many choices, especially in our food products which I've described as the Breakfast Cereal Problem in the past. There are simply too many to consider them all with each shopping trip, so you are almost forced to just make one arbitrary choice and live with it unless you want to be paralyzed in the grocer aisle. None of the choices really offer a significant value or weight over the others, each cereal promising the same thing; to be part of a balanced breakfast, that Gestalt puzzle created by marketers to kick off our day.

Once you step back from that world, it does seem miserably pointless and the same can be said for the SSB's in the article. But on a deeper level, it says something about the stresses we introduce into our lives by chasing too many choices. I can't remember which of his books he mentions this in, but Richard Feynman seemed to have the same realization when struggling to decide what to get for dessert in restaurants. Eventually, be just settled on chocolate cake so he didn't have to make that decision anymore. That stuck with me for some reason, more than any concerns about how soda or whatever might be affecting my blood sugar, pushing me in the direction of just going with the more ubiquitous alternative; water.

Plus with soda at $4USD a pop in most restaurants these days, it's just cheaper to go with water. So we have health, simplicity and financial reasons to not go for the SSBs. Seems enough for me.

/ramble

Re: Type 2 Diabetes and cardiovascular disease attributable to sugar beverages

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About 15 years ago, I stopped drinking soda. Not out of a desire to be healthy or loose weight but simply because it dawned on me that for the same amount of sugar in one soft drink that I drink without any afterthought, I could enjoy a really good pastry that I can slowly savor. I do the same for fats. The way I look at it, I want to maximize the "enjoyment per kcalorie". :) More recently, I'm starting to apply this…

In most cases you could eat multiple pastries and still have significantly less sugar than a soda.

>In most cases you could eat multiple pastries and still have significantly less sugar than a soda.

yep. The can of soda has something like 10 spoons of sugar. In that volume i stop feeling the difference after 2nd-3rd spoon of sugar. I do drink soda - by diluting it about 1:5. For the pastries and other bakery products - it does depends where it comes from. The standard American bakery sill puts a lot of sugar into pastries, cakes, bread (especially the fast-rise), etc. while some of the ones trying to do European style do use sugar more moderately (they also usually use more fat like butter thus making the taste better, more balanced, and probably also thus more healthy - my personal impression/opinion - as the more balanced content (fat/carbs vs. low-fat-high-sugar approach somehow more popular in the American bakery) seems to me to be better).

Re: Type 2 Diabetes and cardiovascular disease attributable to sugar beverages

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I'll be the guy that I assume most people are sick of by this point, and recommend experimenting with dropping the additives in exchange for higher quality coffee if you can afford it (it's usually not much more per cup). At effectively zero calories, after some period of time you'll get used to it and recalibrate your sense of sweetness to the point where sugary drinks and coffee are much less palatable

I was able to switch to coffee and a little half and half with nothing else. That seems to be good enough for me and pretty low calorie and sugar content. Drinking black coffee only has been difficult though, even with more expensive coffee (I'm not sure what's considered higher quality necessarily, but I have an espresso machine and I'm grinding whole beans for brands of coffee that websites claim are good)

From my cursory sense of espresso, it's a bit of a finicky, expensive, and niche thing to enjoy in the raw. It's my impression that the overwhelming majority of people in Canada and the U.S for example enjoy their espresso in an espresso-based drink, like a latte or cortado, because the intensity and texture of it mixes quite well with the fats and sugars in cream or milk, and is often made from darker roasts which balance out well. It would be very hard to transition from that to just raw espresso made from any bean.

I personally do not enjoy espresso on its own enough to invest in that sort of equipment, and am fine just getting that periodically at a cafe.

Anyone recommending any particular coffee on the internet should qualify it with their brewing method and personal preferences, because some people like a french press, some people like espresso, or aeropress, or pourover, for various reasons, and none are better than any other, but some people like the intensity of straight espresso, and some people like what you'd call drip/filter coffee, which would be a classic cone that you drip water through.

Likewise, among "high quality" coffee, there's a world of variety. Many great South American beans lean into chocolatey, but some end up quite sweet and fruity, while east african or indonesian beans can pretty much taste like candy. Quality usually refers to "grade", which is more technical and I'm not too well versed on, but to me it means how well the roasted product reveals the potential of a well-selected batch. Sounds a bit pretentious, but basically if you like bitters or cocoa or milk or dark chocolate, high quality beans will make that very enjoyable, both because it was a good crop from the right region, and because the roaster did their job by leaving enough of the sugars and moisture in the bean throughout the roasting process. It's worth experimenting with all of this.

If it doesn't taste that good, it can be because any of those other variables are off, or the blend that the roaster chose to make wasn't a good selection; they might have chosen to mix a brazillian with an east african and got the balance wrong for your taste, or it's too bitter because they roasted it too long, or it might just be stale, or you just don't like it because it's not your vibe.

Right now, I'm doing pour overs with a Hario Switch or V60 dripper and use a modest grinder. It's a pretty standard and inexpensive setup, the dripper usually comes in plastic or glass, and I get beans that are roasted in the neighbourhood within the month for about ~$10USD or sometimes more, and often they'll be an african or columbian blend. It costs me very little and is a simple pleasure. This is probably what I'd recommend if you were looking to play around, it's cheap and would require only the most marginal of equipment changes. It admittedly did take me a long time to taper off the cream and milk, I'd get it from McDonalds or whatever, but now I can even drink that stuff black pretty easily, but it's nearly impossible to tolerate if you're just side-by-side comparing with a coffee+milk mix, the contrast is too harsh.

I do still drink an occasional soda fwiw, and enjoy a latte, but now that I've figured out how to find and make good black coffee, there's no turning back. I'd rather the sugar come from a dessert.

Re: Type 2 Diabetes and cardiovascular disease attributable to sugar beverages

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I'll be the guy that I assume most people are sick of by this point, and recommend experimenting with dropping the additives in exchange for higher quality coffee if you can afford it (it's usually not much more per cup). At effectively zero calories, after some period of time you'll get used to it and recalibrate your sense of sweetness to the point where sugary drinks and coffee are much less palatable

You can either get better coffee or you can also just get used to the flavor. I didn't like it and after about a year it became fine, now I have a lifetime of no sugar coffee unlocked.

I think this is something that people don't appreciate about being acclimated to sugar coffee. It takes a while to adapt, you can't just try it periodically and try to convince yourself it's better than the milky alternative, contrast is too significant, like comparing a pear and a slice of dry whole grain bread, or walking vs driving, or going to the gym vs not. A couple of months though and you'll probably be well on the way. In a pinch I'll grab a black coffee from McDonalds, since it's more on the medium side anyway, and it's perfectly serviceable.

Re: Type 2 Diabetes and cardiovascular disease attributable to sugar beverages

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> A typical fast food burger just isn't that great in terms of texture, taste, looks, etc. and IMHO almost always disappointingly unsatisfying and slightly uncomfortable afterwards. I'll eat that once in a while; usually because there's nothing more convenient and never because I crave one. The "Big Mac Attack" is real. I used to get one about every six months or so. Then I would eat a Big Mac, and the attack would b…

The weirdest thing for me is that when I was young I used to live off fast food. A few Jack in the Box burgers and I was good to go (my girlfriend at the time looked at me somewhat strange the first time I asked her how many burgers she wanted). But now when I eat a fast food burger I just don't feel very good afterwards. Curious how many others also seem to get the same thing. I always thought I was just being a bit…

Back then, fast food compete with home made food, now it competes with another fast food.

Re: Type 2 Diabetes and cardiovascular disease attributable to sugar beverages

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I'll be the guy that I assume most people are sick of by this point, and recommend experimenting with dropping the additives in exchange for higher quality coffee if you can afford it (it's usually not much more per cup). At effectively zero calories, after some period of time you'll get used to it and recalibrate your sense of sweetness to the point where sugary drinks and coffee are much less palatable

I honestly can't tell much difference between expensive coffee and Maxwell House. But in general I've never nerded out over coffee, wine, bread, cheese, whiskey, or any other food or beverage. I don't add sugar to my coffee either.

Do you add cream or milk?

Re: Type 2 Diabetes and cardiovascular disease attributable to sugar beverages

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I honestly can't tell much difference between expensive coffee and Maxwell House. But in general I've never nerded out over coffee, wine, bread, cheese, whiskey, or any other food or beverage. I don't add sugar to my coffee either.

I’ve tried lots of different coffee’s and I keep going back to (don’t laugh) Folgers Instant. Maybe it’s because it’s what my parents had when I was a kid. Nothing else is quite like it. Unfortunately, I add 100 calories of crap to it. But I drink it slower than Coke and it’s at least half the calories of a 32oz (my other vise). I use it as a way to lower my calorie count, just a little.

Surprisingly less calories in 32oz of Coke than I was expecting, less than a standard Starbucks sugary drink probably. Regarding coffee, people like what they like, and there's a lot of memories I also have associated with it, as well as drinking copious amounts of Coke for that matter.

If you ever want to try and ease off both those vices, I'd simply recommend buying a McDonalds coffee, buying a Starbucks Blonde Americano, and then taking them home and brewing a cup of the folgers instant with no additions. Get someone to pour them into identical cups, and have them play a shell game (move the cups around to hide which ones they are), then try them back and forth. Try to avoid anything with sugar in it for a few hours before. I bet you'll pick out some differences and maybe even like them, then if you want to try and delete the sugar from your coffee, avoid it in exchange for black coffee for at least a few months. It's not as hard as it seems, but it does take some time.

Then if you like, play around with easy home brewing methods like french press or pour over, grinding beans etc.. those were probably the most impactful things I tried when I went on the same journey. Grinding recently roasted beans before brewing was eye opening. I honestly didn't believe black coffee could be palatable, and was drinking Folgers with half and half from the big red can for ages.

Re: Type 2 Diabetes and cardiovascular disease attributable to sugar beverages

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I can easily tell the difference between the two, but I really don't care so long as the coffee is brewed well. I still like Maxwell House Black Silk, but at home I grind my own beans and brew in a French Press. What I don't like is "Church Coffee", where it has brewed within an inch of its life and is the darkest, most bitter/burned flavor that ever existed.

The best coffee I have ever had was from a coworker's French press. (:

The best coffee you'll ever have is one that was made for you with care :) Pay it forward if ya can.

Re: Type 2 Diabetes and cardiovascular disease attributable to sugar beverages

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post #116

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I'll be the guy that I assume most people are sick of by this point, and recommend experimenting with dropping the additives in exchange for higher quality coffee if you can afford it (it's usually not much more per cup). At effectively zero calories, after some period of time you'll get used to it and recalibrate your sense of sweetness to the point where sugary drinks and coffee are much less palatable

Just to add a bit, we bought a Breville espresso and grinder. I only use some whole milk to make my coffee and no sugar. My wife uses a little agave syrup and skips most of the milk.

Have you tried playing around with using the same grinder, but switching up the beans and brewing method?

I think a lot of people go espresso at home, but I do think that's an extremely difficult thing to transition to consuming black unless you're really into the hobby of it all and have adjusted. It's just really intense, which naturally blends well with the fats and sugars in dairy, especially with most espresso roasts being darker. If I personally go espresso, it's either a latte or black Americano.

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