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How long til we're all on Ozempic?

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Re: How long til we're all on Ozempic?

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Post by Etheryte »

arijo wrote: post #573
robohydrate wrote: post #299

I've been on tirzepatide (Mounjaro) for 4 months now. I'm down 13% of my body weight. I realized that frequent cannabis consumption interferes with the weight loss, so I've kicked the habit from daily to occasionally on weekends. I've started walking 2-3 miles a day, 2-3 days a week regularly, in addition to eating less and being more motivated to calorie count. All this to say, this drug has been life changing for m…

Cut on carbs and you will have all the benefits without the nasty side effects. Check https://metabolicmind.org for details. My own experience with the keto diet - https://www.feelingbuggy.com/p/finding-hope-after-decades-of...

This is about as useful as telling someone who's obese to just eat less. Factually yes, it might help them, but practically they're clearly unable to implement it, probably for a plethora of underlying reasons.

Re: How long til we're all on Ozempic?

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Post by artursapek »

mrshadowgoose wrote: post #604
unclad5968 wrote: post #585

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In what ways is fitness not within reach for a large portion of the population?

Studies have repeatedly shown that lifestyle modification does not result in sustained weight loss for most. Not going to waste my time providing sources to remedy your ignorance. You are more than capable of doing this research yourself.

How does "burning more calories than you consume" not result in weight loss for most people, lmao?

Re: How long til we're all on Ozempic?

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Post by artursapek »

pkulak wrote: post #658
dfxm12 wrote: post #170

Instead of a system that makes these drug available for purchase, I'd rather live in a system that promotes healthy food and active behavior. Unfortunately, I have to drive everywhere, work too many hours to have free time for recreation and have no idea which government subsidy is going to help big ag likely at the expense of my health. All things being equal, I'd prefer to spend less money on prescriptions and have…

I run three miles a day, never drive anywhere (bike or bus), eat reasonably healthy, and I'm still 20 pounds overweight. And what really scares me is that running is the only exercise I enjoy and if my weight fluctuates up just 5 pounds or so, I start getting hip/knee/foot etc pain. If I gain 10 pounds through some lapse in morality, I won't be able to run anymore and I'm cooked. If that happens, I'm banging down my…

It's probably seed oils tbqh

Re: How long til we're all on Ozempic?

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Post by amelius »

setgree wrote: post #13

There's some evidence that Ozempic improves general impulse control, e.g decreasing alcohol consumption [0], which the article mentions. Also, as Tyler Cowen writes [1], this is probably going to translate into big improvements for animal welfare: > People lose weight on these drugs because they eat less, and eating less usually means eating less meat. And less meat consumption results in less factory farming. This s…

> There's some evidence that Ozempic improves general impulse control

What if it makes us get a better control over our consumption behavior in general?

Wouldn't some large companies have a problem with that and fight it?

Re: How long til we're all on Ozempic?

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Post by hilux »

pixl97 wrote: post #494
hilux wrote: post #434

Living a healthy lifestyle, so that you won't need Ozempic, is possible - even surrounded by all the drugs and booze and carbs. I do it. Lots of people do it. The information is freely available, now more than ever. From all I've read, Ozempic isn't a silver bullet, and has many side effects. It just helps people stave off the inevitable for a while.

Well good for you, aren't you special... Now what about the other 74% of the population. You ever hear the saying "If you owe the bank $1000 dollars, that's your problem. If you owe the bank a million it's theirs" This is a public health epidemic and no matter how much you scream "But I'm special" the rest of the world is going to fall apart around you. And yes, this issue is spreading to the entire world and not jus…

> no matter how much you scream "But I'm special"

You are deliberately missing my point: I'm not special.

Go back to reddit, where they appreciate your "style" of discussion.

Re: How long til we're all on Ozempic?

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Post by arijo »

Etheryte wrote: post #681
arijo wrote: post #573

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Cut on carbs and you will have all the benefits without the nasty side effects. Check https://metabolicmind.org for details. My own experience with the keto diet - https://www.feelingbuggy.com/p/finding-hope-after-decades-of...

This is about as useful as telling someone who's obese to just eat less. Factually yes, it might help them, but practically they're clearly unable to implement it, probably for a plethora of underlying reasons.

Implementing a ketogenic diet is not the same as a caloric restriction diet - it’s an inversion of the macronutrient pyramid - heavy on fat, moderate on protein and low on carbs.

Even if you consume the same calories as in a traditional diet you’ll likely lose weight. Check the https://metabolicmind.org site for more insightful information.

Re: How long til we're all on Ozempic?

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Post by hilux »

Someone1234 wrote: post #522
hilux wrote: post #434

Living a healthy lifestyle, so that you won't need Ozempic, is possible - even surrounded by all the drugs and booze and carbs. I do it. Lots of people do it. The information is freely available, now more than ever. From all I've read, Ozempic isn't a silver bullet, and has many side effects. It just helps people stave off the inevitable for a while.

The population level statistics show that you're the exception and not the rule. Obviously if the side-effects are unpleasant, the alternative health implications must be even worse: Which they are.

This may sound cynical, but I believe it is also factual: in a capitalist society, generating revenue by making people sick (junk food), and then generating more revenue by curing them, and finally making a big pile by keeping them alive for a few more weeks, is the way it's "supposed" to work.

If everyone stayed healthy and then peacefully died one day in their sleep, I can't imagine how many $$$trillions that would remove from the US economy. (I know, there's an argument that healthy people would find other ways to generate revenue, but we have no path to realize that.)

Of course, a century of non-capitalist societies don't have a great track record either!

Re: How long til we're all on Ozempic?

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Post by zamadatix »

mrshadowgoose wrote: post #604
unclad5968 wrote: post #585

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In what ways is fitness not within reach for a large portion of the population?

Studies have repeatedly shown that lifestyle modification does not result in sustained weight loss for most. Not going to waste my time providing sources to remedy your ignorance. You are more than capable of doing this research yourself.

Proving a negative is a hard and sometimes an annoying in itself ask plus you're probably frustrated with the general attitude to this kind of conversation (especially if your main expectation/experience is others don't like the pill answer out of spitefulness) but that doesn't make this kind of response any more okay here.

For others open to listening to why it's often out of reach: Outside the go-to "motivation" type discussion gravitation (and, keep in mind, not everyone can just 'motivate themselves past their addictions' in the first place or they wouldn't be addictions) it is also disproportionately hard for those struggling in other ways of life (financially, mentally, physically/genetically). Some of these can be cascaded effects, like support systems (e.g.not everyone's partner is willing or able to go all in on it like above). Others can be that it is medically not as easy for some people to lose weight at a given intake amount which makes it just that much harder.

Most people would like very VERY much to be fit. That most still aren't fit should be a good indicator it's out of most's reach to "just eat less" independently. All this said as a person who is not overweight themselves but has been around many people in different situations, abilities, and luck that have left them unable to be so as well.

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