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Re: How long til we're all on Ozempic?

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Post by bsder »

llamaimperative wrote: post #256
gcr wrote: post #229

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you have an open mind, I'd like to assign you some homework if you like. Take a look around r/zepbound and count the following: 1. Posts from folks who diet+exercise, or who have tried diet/exercise and nothing's worked so they then turned to Zepbound ("excited to hit the gym," "my diet is finally starting to work with Zepbound" and similar) 2. Posts from folks who haven't tried diet/exercise and turned to Zepboun…

GP isn't talking about self-control, they're talking about the fact we've created a system that requires obscene amounts of self-control if you wish to maintain physical health. People in the 50s weren't slimmer because they had ironclad determination to stay such.

> People in the 50s weren't slimmer because they had ironclad determination to stay such.

Well, heights increased dramatically for a couple decades so what that meant was that many people in the 1950s were starving. In the 1930s, people died of starvation even in the US.

I don't really think that we want to go back to starving our population just to be thin, thanks.

Re: How long til we're all on Ozempic?

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Post by Ygg2 »

j-a-a-p wrote: post #520
mlsu wrote: post #381

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My view about obesity has shifted dramatically since Ozempic came out. Before this, I didn't think about it too much (I am not obese myself). I notice now that there is a LOT of judgement, bias(?), around obesity, that people, obese or not, carry with them [1]. I certainly carried that bias, and the reason I noticed it was because Ozempic is literally an external substance that you take that simply makes obesity go a…

The willpower frame actually works pretty well for a lot of people. If not than in our society almost everybody would be obese. This pill will make things worse for the group that hangs out in the treadmills and drinks green and disgusting smoothies. On topic, very happy this medicine exists, but let's pray god will keep the prescription only for BMI > 35.

> If not than in our society almost everybody would be obese.

Isn't that already the case. I'm of belief, the failing isn't individual but societal. You have obese toddlers and wild animals in the US.

I don't think this is a failure of willpower, it's a failure to investigate the actual causes of the obesity epidemic. Maybe it's sugar, perhaps it's highly processed oils, etc. Whatever it is, people aren't investigating it thoroughly enough.

Re: How long til we're all on Ozempic?

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Post by arijo »

robohydrate wrote: post #299

I've been on tirzepatide (Mounjaro) for 4 months now. I'm down 13% of my body weight. I realized that frequent cannabis consumption interferes with the weight loss, so I've kicked the habit from daily to occasionally on weekends. I've started walking 2-3 miles a day, 2-3 days a week regularly, in addition to eating less and being more motivated to calorie count. All this to say, this drug has been life changing for m…

Cut on carbs and you will have all the benefits without the nasty side effects.

Check https://metabolicmind.org for details.

My own experience with the keto diet - https://www.feelingbuggy.com/p/finding-hope-after-decades-of...

Re: How long til we're all on Ozempic?

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Post by rootusrootus »

sph wrote: post #277
steveBK123 wrote: post #160

One lurking concern I've had around this space is that junk food makers simply find a way to make their food even more addicting. Arguably though, ozempic'd customers and shrinkflation'd products would be a recipe for amazing margin improvement. And they can dress it up as doing good because its better for people, (like the 100 calorie snack packaging).

You can see that in the lab-grown burger space already: it is a massive opportunity for companies to create an ultra-processed version of meat, and label it as healthy as the public opinion has gone blindly against meat and on the vegan bandwagon. They'll claim it's more eco-friendly, they can sell it 5x the price of beef and rake billions.

> public opinion has gone blindly against meat

Only if you spend too much time online. In the grocery store, I don't see any indication that meat substitutes are gaining traction. If anything, popularity seems to be ebbing. The people choosing fake beef for their burgers are a tiny minority.

Re: How long til we're all on Ozempic?

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Post by chairmansteve »

knowitnone wrote: post #551
chairmansteve wrote: post #396

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The government isn't going to help you. This evening, go for a one minute walk. Tomorrow evening do the same. Next evening do the same. Repeat. The journey of a thousand miles begins with the first step.

one minute? I'm sure that's not going help anyone to walk for one minute. 30 minutes at a minimum. 60 is good, 120 is great!

They've got to start somewhere. Build the habit, get over the resistance.

1 minute will turn into 2 minutes, then 5 minutes.

And 1 minute is infinitely better than 0 minutes.

Re: How long til we're all on Ozempic?

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Post by CBarkleyU »

yieldcrv wrote: post #436
robohydrate wrote: post #324

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You can't imagine how empowering it is to be able to say "No." to food. I stopped eating dessert except once a week. I can be in the company of other people and surrounded by delicious food and not feel the compulsion to eat until I am nauseous.

This is interesting as this is my default, and I am pretty lean. I often have to remember to eat or check if I did, and lament that its a chore. I enjoy food and the dining experience, but I would be fine with that being an entertainment option once a week too. I wonder if there is enough research on how gut bacteria influences these things, because if this is what people want maybe I could sell mine.

This is something that I like to ask friends and acquaintances: Would you rather take a pill that gives you perfect nutrition and nullifies your hunger feeling or a pill that the gives you perfect nutrition and nullifies any other calories you eat.

It's pretty much 50/50. Which is weird, as you'd think that eating is only a pleasure when hungry and I'm proposing them a way to get rid of hunger. Even weirder is that I personally would take the second pill and enjoy my gluttonous lifestyle.

Regarding this thread: I personally decided for myself that if I can be stubborn towards my wife, friends and mom (and I am a stubborn SOB) I sure as hell can be stubborn towards my own bodily desires. I removed all meals except once per day and pretty much all desserts. Fuck what my body thinks it desires, if it needs it that much it can go fix a meal while I sleep.

Re: How long til we're all on Ozempic?

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Post by lottin »

mlsu wrote: post #381
robohydrate wrote: post #299

I've been on tirzepatide (Mounjaro) for 4 months now. I'm down 13% of my body weight. I realized that frequent cannabis consumption interferes with the weight loss, so I've kicked the habit from daily to occasionally on weekends. I've started walking 2-3 miles a day, 2-3 days a week regularly, in addition to eating less and being more motivated to calorie count. All this to say, this drug has been life changing for m…

My view about obesity has shifted dramatically since Ozempic came out. Before this, I didn't think about it too much (I am not obese myself). I notice now that there is a LOT of judgement, bias(?), around obesity, that people, obese or not, carry with them [1]. I certainly carried that bias, and the reason I noticed it was because Ozempic is literally an external substance that you take that simply makes obesity go a…

It's not just willpower but also lifestyle. It's rare for people who are physically active, and have a balanced diet, to suffer from obesity. I can eat A LOT without putting on a ton of weight, and it's because the types of foods I eat and because I do strength training, which means have a fair amount of muscle mass which acts as metabolic furnace. I'm a little overweight, at the moment, but it'd take a lot of effort on my part to become obese. I think treating obesity as a health condition is the wrong approach.

Re: How long til we're all on Ozempic?

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Post by rootusrootus »

subroutine wrote: post #338
calvinmorrison wrote: post #231

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The cost of someone being on Ozempic is going to be miles less than treating fatties for all the related obesity problems.

I'd have to see some data to be convinced. There is nothing more problematic to health than aging. If we make all "fatties" thin we'll eventually get a bunch of geriatric cancer or dementia patients, or some other expensive age-related health problem (e.g. what is the lifetime healthcare cost-burden of obese people who live on average to 65 vs. thin people who live on average to 85 - just making up numbers here)

I agree. Fat people dropping dead in their 50s and 60s are way cheaper than the folks who hang on into their 90s getting steadily more infirm with chronic disease.

I still expect that the cost will reach a point where insurance companies opt to 100% subsidize so everyone who wants it will get it.

Re: How long til we're all on Ozempic?

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Post by kerbs »

arijo wrote: post #573
robohydrate wrote: post #299

I've been on tirzepatide (Mounjaro) for 4 months now. I'm down 13% of my body weight. I realized that frequent cannabis consumption interferes with the weight loss, so I've kicked the habit from daily to occasionally on weekends. I've started walking 2-3 miles a day, 2-3 days a week regularly, in addition to eating less and being more motivated to calorie count. All this to say, this drug has been life changing for m…

Cut on carbs and you will have all the benefits without the nasty side effects. Check https://metabolicmind.org for details. My own experience with the keto diet - https://www.feelingbuggy.com/p/finding-hope-after-decades-of...

It is not easy on the mind and body as to just cut carbs.

Re: How long til we're all on Ozempic?

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Post by rootusrootus »

goshx wrote: post #451

My wife was interested in taking the Ozempic route, and I am not fond of drugs. We then started intermittent fasting together as a lifestyle, and it's been great. Losing weight while not restricting what we eat and feeling great as our body adapts and doesn't let us overeat. I just wonder about the long-term effects, but I'd rather take this risk than a drug like Ozempic.

I've never been more insufferable and hangry than when fasting. I'm glad it works for you.
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