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How long til we're all on Ozempic?

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Re: How long til we're all on Ozempic?

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The government isn't going to help you. This evening, go for a one minute walk. Tomorrow evening do the same. Next evening do the same. Repeat. The journey of a thousand miles begins with the first step.

one minute? I'm sure that's not going help anyone to walk for one minute. 30 minutes at a minimum. 60 is good, 120 is great!

I choose to interpret the post as saying "start small, and be consistent". If you were to tell someone to go for an at least 30 minute walk every day many people would balk at you.

Start with a minute walk. Make time in your day for it. Extend to a 2 minute walk. 5 minute. 15 minute. Etc.

Re: How long til we're all on Ozempic?

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I've been on tirzepatide (Mounjaro) for 4 months now. I'm down 13% of my body weight. I realized that frequent cannabis consumption interferes with the weight loss, so I've kicked the habit from daily to occasionally on weekends. I've started walking 2-3 miles a day, 2-3 days a week regularly, in addition to eating less and being more motivated to calorie count. All this to say, this drug has been life changing for m…

My view about obesity has shifted dramatically since Ozempic came out. Before this, I didn't think about it too much (I am not obese myself). I notice now that there is a LOT of judgement, bias(?), around obesity, that people, obese or not, carry with them [1]. I certainly carried that bias, and the reason I noticed it was because Ozempic is literally an external substance that you take that simply makes obesity go a…

>My view: It is a health condition, that people do not choose.

If this is true, then why are we so focused on curing it after the fact?

Are we also working on prevention?

If it's not a choice, then what is the cause? And why shouldn't we work on preventing that cause?

I mean it's clean that more people are obese today than in the past right? So what changed to cause that that isn't about people's choice? Why not work on reversing whatever those changes were that caused obesity to increase?

And a separate question:

If it's really not a choice, what would be the approximate rate of obesity among a group or population that all exercised regularly and ate healthy?

I don't think I can be convinced that not exercising regularly and not eating healthy is not a choice.

I just feel like the number of people that would be obese who are regularly exercising and eating healthy would be rather small. And if we agree that exercising regularly and eating healthy is a choice, then it seems at least for many who are obese, it indeed is choice.

I'm not going to say there aren't outliers or other special circumstances, but I still feel like for more people than not, it is indeed a choice.

Re: How long til we're all on Ozempic?

#583

My pet crackpot theory is that within the next 100 years semaglutide is going to be in the drinking water (much like fluoride) because the benefit to society is going to be too hard to pass up on. However, it seems that it's delivered via injection so maybe putting it in the water supply wouldn't even be effective.

It's funny you say that because just now the US is starting to re-consider water fluoridation: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/oct/04/fluoridation... . It's also relative uncommon in other developed countries; according to Wikipedia, "Out of a population of about three-quarters of a billion, under 14 million people (approximately 2%) in Europe receive artificially-fluoridated water. Those people are in the U…

The funny thing is that if you live in Portland, famously one of the few large cities without fluoride in the water, the dentist can immediately tell if you grew up here.

I would guess that in today's world a lot of people get enough fluoride through processed foods being made in places that have fluoridated water.

Re: How long til we're all on Ozempic?

#585

As someone who struggled with their weight his whole life, this medication is a god send. My wife and I cook every evening. We never eat food made in a factory. We buy raw products and spend a good amount of time every day cooking them. Every morning I wake up and go on a 5 mile hike. And still weight kept on coming on. Worse yet, I am on ADHD medication, which are amphetamines and actually make you lose weight. Yet.…

> Why do we find it acceptable to help people who struggle with alcohol abuse, or nicotine addiction, or opioid addiction, but not to help people who struggle with food abuse? "Getting fit and staying fit" is a form of social capital, because it's extremely hard and only within reach of a small portion of the population. "Being fit" is strongly aligned with "being attractive" which confers all sorts of cross-cutting…

In what ways is fitness not within reach for a large portion of the population?

Re: How long til we're all on Ozempic?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Cut on carbs and you will have all the benefits without the nasty side effects. Check https://metabolicmind.org for details. My own experience with the keto diet - https://www.feelingbuggy.com/p/finding-hope-after-decades-of...

It is not easy on the mind and body as to just cut carbs.

I apologize for the shortcut - I should have given more context, though you can validate my assertion by going to this site: https://metabolicmind.org

There is heavy research on the usage of the ketogenic diet for the treatment of metabolic and mental illness.

I've written about my personal story here - https://www.feelingbuggy.com/p/finding-hope-after-decades-of...

Re: How long til we're all on Ozempic?

#587

Most of us should probably be on appetite suppressors due to the industrial revolution making food more than abundant while pumping it full of empty calories.

Just eat regular food. Hardly anything in my diet would be mysterious to a time traveler from 100 years ago, or indeed 200 years ago. Occasionally I enjoy chocolate or instant noodles but mostly it's just fruit, veg, meat, dairy, and grains. If you don't know what something is made out of or how, then don't eat it.

Not a panacea. I stay fat no problem without junk food. Processed foods make me ill, so I make almost all my own meals from whole ingredients. Too many calories is too many calories no matter how you get it.

I'm a pretty good cook, though.

Re: How long til we're all on Ozempic?

#588
post #381

I've been on tirzepatide (Mounjaro) for 4 months now. I'm down 13% of my body weight. I realized that frequent cannabis consumption interferes with the weight loss, so I've kicked the habit from daily to occasionally on weekends. I've started walking 2-3 miles a day, 2-3 days a week regularly, in addition to eating less and being more motivated to calorie count. All this to say, this drug has been life changing for m…

My view about obesity has shifted dramatically since Ozempic came out. Before this, I didn't think about it too much (I am not obese myself). I notice now that there is a LOT of judgement, bias(?), around obesity, that people, obese or not, carry with them [1]. I certainly carried that bias, and the reason I noticed it was because Ozempic is literally an external substance that you take that simply makes obesity go a…

Personally, I've never seen obesity as a failure of character or willpower, at least as long as I can remember having any particular views on it at all. I see it as a failure of information and choices.

Obesity was rare until the United States officially decided in 1977 that saturated fats were considered harmful. A few years later, it started rising to the current epidemic level. We've come a long way since the American Heart Association was recommending candy and soda as "healthy" alternatives to real food, but the idea that an optimal diet contains low saturated fat and high complex carbohydrates remains firmly entrenched in present-day nutritional and medical orthodoxy.

Imagine a counterfactual where Congress had reached the opposite conclusion, instead recommending a standard diet full of saturated fats, high in salts (both sodium and potassium), moderate in monounsaturated fats, low in polyunsaturated fats, and sparing in carbohydrates. The population and food industry would have moved in an entirely different direction. We'd have a whole different universe of nutritional advice, diet trends, restaurant menu options, and easily available processed foods. A lot would be the same, but large sections of the grocery store would look like lowcarbfoods.com, maybe burger joints would serve mozzarella sticks instead of fries, maybe instead of potato chips and corn chips people would eat pork rinds and kale chips, and maybe instead of rice or potatoes an average dinner would include all manner of delicious fried vegetables. Instead of a low(er)-fat (i.e. high(er)-carb) diet, doctors would tell fat people to try keto. Maybe that timeline's equivalent to trans fat would be sugar alcohols and artificial sweeteners, and governments would ultimately pressure the industry to transition to stevia, monk fruit, and inulin fiber.

In such an alternate universe, I'm sure the food industry would still work overtime to find ways to make many of its products shitty and addictive, and I'm sure the average person would still lean heavily on processed foods and fast food over home cooking and whole foods. I'm sure that would cause its own set of health issues, but what I highly doubt it would cause is an obesity epidemic. It's simply a lot harder to overeat fats than it is carbs. We'd also inherently have less insulin resistance, which means less type 2 diabetes, less dementia, and probably a good amount less of mental/neurological issues like depression and anxiety.

Unfortunately, we live in this universe. And in this universe, I find it really hard to blame individuals for struggling with obesity when we've practically purpose-built an environment to make us fat and keep us that way. In order to not be fat (by pre-1980 standards), you either have to win the genetic lottery, be extraordinarily physically active, put a high amount of effort into controlling your caloric intake, or be willing to go against the grain (no pun intended) on what you've most likely been led to believe for your entire life by everyone and everything around you. It's great to fall into one of those four buckets, but on a population scale it should be obvious that the majority wouldn't.

Re: How long til we're all on Ozempic?

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Living a healthy lifestyle, so that you won't need Ozempic, is possible - even surrounded by all the drugs and booze and carbs. I do it. Lots of people do it. The information is freely available, now more than ever. From all I've read, Ozempic isn't a silver bullet, and has many side effects. It just helps people stave off the inevitable for a while.

> The information is freely available, now more than ever You have to believe it to find it. Noise is everywhere, now more than ever. I think finding proper information is going to be exponentially harder. A couple of days ago I was "fighting" on Reddit about something that is as clear as day, with proof and all, with people who were completely sure of the opposite (side note: this is when I deleted my Reddit account…

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Re: How long til we're all on Ozempic?

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you can buy tirzepatide / semaglutide all day long from labs in china for between $4 per injection all the way down to $0.50 per injection depending on quantity and type (prepackaged in vial vs raw powder)

After tirzepatide was taken off the shortage list last week, I notice that there are suddenly a lot more people talking about this route. It will be interesting to see how it plays out.

Probably exceeds my comfort level, and I'm lucky enough that I can pay the $550/month for name brand if necessary. A lot of people will just have to stop, though, and deal with the consequences.

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