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How long til we're all on Ozempic?

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Re: How long til we're all on Ozempic?

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Post by jrockway »

Alupis wrote: post #457
dyauspitr wrote: post #376

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Sounds like a miracle drug that helps with all afflictions that come with our modern life/sedentary living.

The problem with this (and all diet plans/drugs) is the lifestyle that led to problem in the first place. If you do not change your lifestyle, for real and not just superficially, then you will relapse with a vengeance. That is to say, be careful with using a drug as a crutch. Sure, it can artificially make you much more interested in not consuming so many calories and/or perhaps being more active than before - but y…

I don't think you expect to stop taking the drug. It's a for-life kind of thing.

If a prescription for "lifestyle changes" were a drug, it would be one of the least effective drugs ever made. I read something directed at medical professionals that are skeptical of the GLP-1 receptor agonists and it asks, if you prescribe a drug and your patient refuses to take it, why would you keep prescribing that drug? Of course not. That's what lifestyle changes are, and the landscape has changed so that there are alternatives.

(My employer is heavy on the "lifestyle changes" angle. They will not pay for GLP-1s, but they will send you a newsletter about losing weight if you want. Guess who's losing the weight.)

Re: How long til we're all on Ozempic?

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Post by arijo »

cgh wrote: post #614
arijo wrote: post #573

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Cut on carbs and you will have all the benefits without the nasty side effects. Check https://metabolicmind.org for details. My own experience with the keto diet - https://www.feelingbuggy.com/p/finding-hope-after-decades-of...

I read your experience and it is indeed pretty incredible and I'm happy for you. I've used ketosis strategically for athletic reasons, to cut weight. So we both had strong motivations to use it. But for your typical obese person, it is a tremendous challenge to stick with it and at the end of the day, it's adherence that matters. Put simply, it's easier to adhere to a drug than to a specific, somewhat anti-social die…

It really helps if you use some LLM tool like ChatGPT or Claude to generate the keto recipes (sometimes with the ingredients you have available).

If you stick to cooking keto recipes for a few weeks you end up internalizing the recipe patterns and you start cooking without even thinking about it.

Re: How long til we're all on Ozempic?

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Post by steveBK123 »

rootusrootus wrote: post #574
sph wrote: post #277

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You can see that in the lab-grown burger space already: it is a massive opportunity for companies to create an ultra-processed version of meat, and label it as healthy as the public opinion has gone blindly against meat and on the vegan bandwagon. They'll claim it's more eco-friendly, they can sell it 5x the price of beef and rake billions.

> public opinion has gone blindly against meat Only if you spend too much time online. In the grocery store, I don't see any indication that meat substitutes are gaining traction. If anything, popularity seems to be ebbing. The people choosing fake beef for their burgers are a tiny minority.

Indeed, a COVID era ZIRP funded fad that has fallen on hard times.

A product that fits a niche - former meat eaters who miss meat and want to be vegetarians.

Otherwise for true health conscious or longtime vegetarians there are better options.

Re: How long til we're all on Ozempic?

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Post by timeinput »

unclad5968 wrote: post #585
mrshadowgoose wrote: post #544

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> Why do we find it acceptable to help people who struggle with alcohol abuse, or nicotine addiction, or opioid addiction, but not to help people who struggle with food abuse? "Getting fit and staying fit" is a form of social capital, because it's extremely hard and only within reach of a small portion of the population. "Being fit" is strongly aligned with "being attractive" which confers all sorts of cross-cutting…

In what ways is fitness not within reach for a large portion of the population?

Something like 15% of the world lives in extreme poverty. This is darn near the best it's been in the history of the world (there used to be much more poverty by percentage), but this group would likely have trouble being fit. They might be skinny, but surely not fit.

Ignoring that extreme the questions maybe different: How many hours does a median person have free from work, commute, and sleep? How much time must be spent managing exercise and diet to achieve fitness?

I think if you took the time to answer those questions for the median or modal non-impoverished person in the world you might find that fitness is actually quite difficult to achieve.

It seems really hard in the US.

Re: How long til we're all on Ozempic?

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Post by omikun »

OptionOfT wrote: post #420

As someone who struggled with their weight his whole life, this medication is a god send. My wife and I cook every evening. We never eat food made in a factory. We buy raw products and spend a good amount of time every day cooking them. Every morning I wake up and go on a 5 mile hike. And still weight kept on coming on. Worse yet, I am on ADHD medication, which are amphetamines and actually make you lose weight. Yet.…

I think a lot of it is dealing with hunger. If you can't stand being a little hungry, never mind very hungry, no diet will really help. I used to love being very hungry, not sure how I got there, but I wish I can go back there again. Having very little carbs and temptations in the house helps. Unfortunately it's not up to only me.

Re: How long til we're all on Ozempic?

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Post by incognito124 »

dennis_jeeves2 wrote: post #563
farceSpherule wrote: post #237

A lot of people fail to realize that eating healthy and exercising is not enough for a lot of people who fight with their weight their entire lives. Ozempic and Wegovy are game changes and have real, tangible health benefits. One person told me, "No matter how much I eat or exercise, I have been 'hungry' my entire life. That ended when I started taking these drugs."

>eating healthy and exercising is not enough for a lot That's because both these interventions when followed in the way they are commonly understood are near completely incorrect. I blame the govt/medical profession for this. Other factors: again I blame govt/medical profession for this - example it's difficult to get unprocessed food unless one reads labels carefully. For example it is near impossible to get milk th…

Wait, what is wrong with Vitamin D?

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Post by rixed »

lottin wrote: post #577
mlsu wrote: post #381

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My view about obesity has shifted dramatically since Ozempic came out. Before this, I didn't think about it too much (I am not obese myself). I notice now that there is a LOT of judgement, bias(?), around obesity, that people, obese or not, carry with them [1]. I certainly carried that bias, and the reason I noticed it was because Ozempic is literally an external substance that you take that simply makes obesity go a…

It's not just willpower but also lifestyle. It's rare for people who are physically active, and have a balanced diet, to suffer from obesity. I can eat A LOT without putting on a ton of weight, and it's because the types of foods I eat and because I do strength training, which means have a fair amount of muscle mass which acts as metabolic furnace. I'm a little overweight, at the moment, but it'd take a lot of effort…

What's the right approach?

Had the right approach better results?

If not, why is it the right approach?

Re: How long til we're all on Ozempic?

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Post by rootusrootus »

rootusrootus wrote: post #47
indiebat wrote: post #17

I don’t want this to come out insensitive or from under the rock, but why is taking a drug a novel & cool idea (all of a sudden/recently) as opposed to good old fashioned working out and not eating more than what you need? okay, this drug is all kinds of great and it’s the next best thing since green grapes, still not eating more and workout is better than taking drugs that effect your brain right? Are doctors requir…

I want everyone who says this to submit a picture. Just wearing gym shorts, so we can get a good look. I assume nobody making this a moral issue will have so much as love handles. Because if they do, why aren't they working out harder and eating a bit less? I've met plenty of skinny fat people who think they're healthy.

Man, some folks just don't want to be held to the same standard they want to hold everyone else to. Cowards ;-)

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Post by aeonik »

ip26 wrote: post #617
OptionOfT wrote: post #420

As someone who struggled with their weight his whole life, this medication is a god send. My wife and I cook every evening. We never eat food made in a factory. We buy raw products and spend a good amount of time every day cooking them. Every morning I wake up and go on a 5 mile hike. And still weight kept on coming on. Worse yet, I am on ADHD medication, which are amphetamines and actually make you lose weight. Yet.…

Why do we find it acceptable to help... I think if the widely available help for alcoholics, smokers, or opioid addicts mainly mitigated the negative consequences - enabling them to drink, smoke, or dope more - it wouldn't be nearly as acceptable. I personally expect weight loss medication that simply makes people want to eat less will reach cultural acceptance. Case in point, cigarettes have been known to suppress a…

wait, I thought that's exactly what ozempic did...
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