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How long til we're all on Ozempic?

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Re: How long til we're all on Ozempic?

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Post by reducesuffering »

One very understated aspect that I haven't seen brought up:

If part of the obesity epidemic is trying to consume food to make up for nutrient deficiencies, these drugs will only worsen these nutritional deficiencies. You'll lose weight short-term, but long-term sabotaged your body trying to attain these. We've seen declining vitamins and minerals in natural food (industrial produce growth). Maybe some people make it up with a heavy supplement regimen, but I wouldn't be surprised to see a lot of now-normal-weight people on Ozempic having major health problems due to increasingly deficient Vitamin A (already 51%), K (71%), E (94%), Magnesium (61%), Potassium (97%), Calcium (49%).

Re: How long til we're all on Ozempic?

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Post by kemitche »

FooBarBizBazz wrote: post #505
gcr wrote: post #281

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We have good food, but you won't find it on "The Easy Path." The Easy Path is that gentle encouragement to hit up Chipotle for lunch, because it's "right there." The Easy Path says dinner's hard and you've had a long day, so get something simple, like take-out or microwave. The Easy Path is entropy. The Easy Path is self-care over struggle. The Easy Path is simple carbs shown on prominent display in store shelves. Th…

I think you're making this sound harder than it is. If you count calories and stick to a budget, you will lose weight, even if those calories come from deep-fried fast food. Sure, it's good to eat more whole fruits and vegetables, and you should, but weight loss doesn't require some kind of Edenic perfection. Stick to a calorie budget and you will lose weight, the end. We can add some second and third order provisos,…

"Stick to a calorie budget" is the HARD part, and it's the thing that drugs like Ozempic help people with.

People aren't obese just because they can't figure out how to count to 1500.

Re: How long til we're all on Ozempic?

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Post by cgh »

arijo wrote: post #573
robohydrate wrote: post #299

I've been on tirzepatide (Mounjaro) for 4 months now. I'm down 13% of my body weight. I realized that frequent cannabis consumption interferes with the weight loss, so I've kicked the habit from daily to occasionally on weekends. I've started walking 2-3 miles a day, 2-3 days a week regularly, in addition to eating less and being more motivated to calorie count. All this to say, this drug has been life changing for m…

Cut on carbs and you will have all the benefits without the nasty side effects. Check https://metabolicmind.org for details. My own experience with the keto diet - https://www.feelingbuggy.com/p/finding-hope-after-decades-of...

I read your experience and it is indeed pretty incredible and I'm happy for you. I've used ketosis strategically for athletic reasons, to cut weight. So we both had strong motivations to use it. But for your typical obese person, it is a tremendous challenge to stick with it and at the end of the day, it's adherence that matters.

Put simply, it's easier to adhere to a drug than to a specific, somewhat anti-social diet.

Re: How long til we're all on Ozempic?

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Post by nostromo »

rootusrootus wrote: post #605
nostromo wrote: post #558

For the longest time people argued if overweight people ate too much or not. I’ve heard plausible sounding arguments on both sides. It seems Ozempic has answered that question decisively, no? The solution to being overweight is eating less in almost all cases it seems. And feeling less hungry with Ozempic can help get you there.

> For the longest time people argued if overweight people ate too much or not. Maybe uneducated people, but when was the last time anyone seriously doubted that excess calories make you fat? For serious people the discussion has always been about how to reduce the calories, because "just eat less" is provably ineffective. Simple minded people continuously suggest otherwise, but data really doesn't support their intui…

It’s never been as black and white as you’re saying.

Lot’s of medical practitioners will even advise you that it’s the quality of food you eat, more so than the quantity. Look at all the published research around processed foods and ultra-processed foods.

Other nutritionists will advise you that obesity is all about your macros. And that if you want to lose weight you need to increase fat and protein intake and limit carbs.

Others have argued it’s less about diet and more about exercise and having an active lifestyle.

There’s also a bunch of research showing that poor sleep might cause obesity.

Ozempic seems to have thrown all that out the window and says that one just needs to eat less if one is overweight.

Re: How long til we're all on Ozempic?

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Post by card_zero »

yieldcrv wrote: post #436
robohydrate wrote: post #324

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can't imagine how empowering it is to be able to say "No." to food. I stopped eating dessert except once a week. I can be in the company of other people and surrounded by delicious food and not feel the compulsion to eat until I am nauseous.

This is interesting as this is my default, and I am pretty lean. I often have to remember to eat or check if I did, and lament that its a chore. I enjoy food and the dining experience, but I would be fine with that being an entertainment option once a week too. I wonder if there is enough research on how gut bacteria influences these things, because if this is what people want maybe I could sell mine.

I saw a documentary once about people who effortlessly remain at a healthy weight, and their activities were tracked for a couple of weeks, revealing;

* Unexpected bursts of random activity like dancing for a few minutes or moving heavy furniture, that these people didn't even notice, while still doing no deliberate exercise,

* Binging like suddenly eating a whole pizza, but then eating next to nothing the next day because "too busy", without putting thought into it. This would be bad for you on the scale of months, but fine over one week.

So, of course, they made up for all the calories they seemed to be taking in. There's an implication that this is instinctual, or just fortunate habits. In my case, I also burn energy arguing, puzzling, and worrying, and I naturally radiate more heat than most, and although I'll happily try to eat a whole tiramisu by myself I seem to have a small stomach and don't attempt it often anyway. So although I think of myself as lazy and gluttonous, I guess I'm just fortuitously, circumstantially not. Imprison me in a restaurant, I'd probably get fat.

Edit: right now I'm idly eating chocolate while I type. But I have no other food in the house, except three bananas. That's because I didn't organize it, because I'm lazy, but what "lazy" really means is a complex subconscious strategy, I think.

Re: How long til we're all on Ozempic?

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Post by ip26 »

OptionOfT wrote: post #420

As someone who struggled with their weight his whole life, this medication is a god send. My wife and I cook every evening. We never eat food made in a factory. We buy raw products and spend a good amount of time every day cooking them. Every morning I wake up and go on a 5 mile hike. And still weight kept on coming on. Worse yet, I am on ADHD medication, which are amphetamines and actually make you lose weight. Yet.…

Why do we find it acceptable to help...

I think if the widely available help for alcoholics, smokers, or opioid addicts mainly mitigated the negative consequences - enabling them to drink, smoke, or dope more - it wouldn't be nearly as acceptable.

I personally expect weight loss medication that simply makes people want to eat less will reach cultural acceptance.

Case in point, cigarettes have been known to suppress appetite for ages, and people have elected to smoke to help stay thin for decades. There was never any crushing social stigma attached to doing this as a weight loss strategy (that I know of).

Re: How long til we're all on Ozempic?

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Post by [deleted] »

farceSpherule wrote: post #237

A lot of people fail to realize that eating healthy and exercising is not enough for a lot of people who fight with their weight their entire lives. Ozempic and Wegovy are game changes and have real, tangible health benefits. One person told me, "No matter how much I eat or exercise, I have been 'hungry' my entire life. That ended when I started taking these drugs."

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Re: How long til we're all on Ozempic?

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Post by rootusrootus »

sschueller wrote: post #570
rootusrootus wrote: post #541

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Possible effective solutions to the US obesity epidemic Just wanted to mention that this is not a US problem, and framing it as such won't help find solutions. Even in southeast Asia the rates over obesity are steadily increasing. Europe is already much fatter than southeast Asia. This is a worldwide phenomenon.

I would argue that the US has some fault to why other western nations are getting fatter. All of the US's worst fast food chains and food products have been exported. In my tiny city a Carl's Jr. Just opened! There is McDonald's, Burger King and Starbucks everywhere. There are also Dunkin donuts in the supermarket as well as oreos. In contrast there arent any Asian or Russian restaurants chains here. Local foods have…

> US has some fault

That's par for the course, the world does love to blame us for their problems. Then they bitch when anyone suggests we've made some choices in the last 100 years that made their lives noticeably better (hello Marshall Plan!).

> have been exported

That's a convenient spin on "have been imported." Do you not make your own choices? If you don't want the crappy fast food, quit making your own copies of it!

Since it's kind of on point for this discussion, I just thought I'd mention one amusing thing I noticed in London -- you can buy higher calorie McDonalds food there. I could get a sasusage mcmuffin with two patties, which isn't a thing in the US. I almost wanted to do it just for the laughs, but frankly the UK version of McDonalds tastes even worse than the US version. I'm not sure exactly how that's possible.

Y'all should stop importing the shittiest excuses for 'American' food. A lot of us never eat at these places in spite of them being so prevalent. We have a lot of great restaurants, even some of the ones that qualify as fast food.

Re: How long til we're all on Ozempic?

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Post by nawgz »

taejavu wrote: post #531
OptionOfT wrote: post #420

As someone who struggled with their weight his whole life, this medication is a god send. My wife and I cook every evening. We never eat food made in a factory. We buy raw products and spend a good amount of time every day cooking them. Every morning I wake up and go on a 5 mile hike. And still weight kept on coming on. Worse yet, I am on ADHD medication, which are amphetamines and actually make you lose weight. Yet.…

What kind of food do you and your wife cook? How much meat? How much gluten? Real butter or canola oil infused “spreads”? What oil do you cook with? Vegetable? Sunflower? If you’re eating the right thing for your body, you’ll be satiated when you eat your full.

Bodies are highly imperfect and suggesting our digestive system and nervous system are geared for being fit and healthy rather than ensuring survival wrt food is absurdly naive.
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