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Re: Telegram abides by EU laws, including the Digital Services Act

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Post by 2-3-7-43-1807 »

delbronski wrote: post #83
adamtaylor_13 wrote: post #57

The EU has proven itself time and time again to be so openly anti-innovation that it’s difficult to even take legislation like the Digital Services Act seriously. None of my products operate in the EU and for good reason. I have no interest in playing the legal games required to support them. I wish I more fully understood the cultural differences that make this anti-innovation stance so prevalent in the EU.

I wouldn’t say anti-innovation. The EU just places more value on protecting workers/consumers than businesses. I can understand that to a lot of Americans a government that tries to protect its people from businesses may not make sense. But most of us in this side of the world cheer on when big companies like Apple have to bend to the EU. Yes, even if it makes starting my own business more difficult. As a European en…

i also cheer when apple has to bend over but when i'm honest it's more for primitive reasons and a general hate for their product line which i am somewhat forced to use. but apart from that EU regulation is mostly a negative in the sense of prohibiting and restricting business activities - which some might consider innovation. but EU isn't particularly strong with regard to enabling innovation and business activity.

Re: Telegram abides by EU laws, including the Digital Services Act

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Post by agapon »

twelve40 wrote: post #55
Muromec wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But he is not journalist, neither he is a freedom fighter

He definitely claims to be, "social media focused on freedom of speech and privacy". That's likely wishful thinking, but the way they went after him reinforces that image.

Pavel Durov is a social media?

I thought he was a human being.

Re: Telegram abides by EU laws, including the Digital Services Act

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Post by krageon »

cryptonector wrote: post #52
heraldgeezer wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Maybe they dont need to >The European Commission has told its staff to start using Signal, an end-to-end-encrypted messaging app, in a push to increase the security of its communications. https://www.politico.eu/article/eu-commission-to-staff-switc...

This is probably more about keeping their communications from the public's prying eyes. In the U.S. this sort of thing is illegal: all intra-government communications must be a matter of record except for oral communications.

Now if only the conversations in which US politicians get bribed (I guess calling it "lobbied" sounds nicer. Especially as a prerequisite to a "donation") would be a matter of public record

Re: Telegram abides by EU laws, including the Digital Services Act

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Post by ben_w »

throwaway48540 wrote: post #38
ben_w wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They did it's called Skype it got bought. Also, what's that supposed to even solve?

They could put more people in prison.

That has no connection to who does or doesn't make messaging apps.

Re: Telegram abides by EU laws, including the Digital Services Act

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Post by rsynnott »

throwaway22032 wrote: post #60
adamtaylor_13 wrote: post #57

The EU has proven itself time and time again to be so openly anti-innovation that it’s difficult to even take legislation like the Digital Services Act seriously. None of my products operate in the EU and for good reason. I have no interest in playing the legal games required to support them. I wish I more fully understood the cultural differences that make this anti-innovation stance so prevalent in the EU.

Old world aristrocratic mindset. It's not just the European Union, the UK is the same. There is a heavy bias towards what works for the incumbents. One of the ways in which this plays out in Britain is that almost everyone is culturally conditioned to consider themselves as being a certain "class" of person e.g. they'll never start a business, they'll never earn above a certain amount, they'll work 50 years for a com…

The US has lower social mobility than most developed countries; in particular if you’re in the bottom quintile in the US, your chances of making it out are particularly low relative to other countries.

Re: Telegram abides by EU laws, including the Digital Services Act

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Post by rsynnott »

peripitea wrote: post #85
wkat4242 wrote: post #82

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The US dream of "making it" is all about money. What we in Spain consider "making it" is to enjoy life, having time to relax, pursuing hobbies, spending time with family. And not having to worry about healthcare bills and pensions. We don't need a lot of money for that. I don't always want more. I just want enough. In the US the vast majority never "makes it" and they are far worse off than we are here. I think Europ…

>In the US the vast majority never "makes it" and they are far worse off than we are here. Mississippi, the poorest state in America, has 33% higher GDP per capita than Spain does.

GDP per capita is not a useful measure of living standards. Or most other things, really; it’s a very crude metric.

To take an over-simplistic example, imagine that the cost of healthcare in Mississippi just rose 5k per capita. Mississippi’s GDP just rose 5k per capita (simplified almost to the point of being nonsensical, but increased healthcare cost will raise gdp), but Mississippians got worse off!

For a glaring example, take Ireland; gdp per capita is over 3x Spain. Is the standard of living in Ireland 3x that of Spain? Definitely not; I think you could actually make a case for it being lower, especially for the more economically disadvantaged (wages are much higher, but so is cost of living).

I think where all this comes from is that gdp/capita _used_ to work a bit better as a proxy for standard of living (though still not well) when economies were more manufacturing-oriented.

Re: Telegram abides by EU laws, including the Digital Services Act

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Post by rad_gruchalski »

kitkat_new wrote: post #48
rad_gruchalski wrote: post #46

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Well, Matrix is incorporated in the UK, not a member state of the EU, and Switzerland also isn’t a member state of the EU.

well, when Matrix was founded, UK was still part of the EU

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brexit

> Following a referendum held on 23 June 2016, Brexit officially took place at 23:00 GMT on 31 January 2020 (00:00 1 February 2020 CET).

With one leg out.

Re: Telegram abides by EU laws, including the Digital Services Act

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Post by rad_gruchalski »

tptacek wrote: post #53
rad_gruchalski wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well, Matrix is incorporated in the UK, not a member state of the EU, and Switzerland also isn’t a member state of the EU.

See for instance https://matrix.org/blog/2021/07/21/germany-s-national-health...

I'm referring to the following:

>> @amelius: Can't the EU make their own messaging app?

> @tptackek: Wasn't Matrix in the running for this?

Three points:

1) From https://matrix.org/foundation/about/: The evolution of Matrix is managed through an open governance process, looked after by The Matrix.org Foundation - a non-profit UK Community Interest Company, incorporated to act as the neutral guardian of the standard on behalf of the whole Matrix community.

2) Matrix is a protocol, not a messaging app.

3) UK is no longer EU.

Read it however you like, I'm simply pointing out that private efforts in non-EU member states are difficult to roll under "EU effort to create their own messaging app".

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