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Re: Telegram abides by EU laws, including the Digital Services Act

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post #21

At some point, the adults in the room (and specifically, a few brave and seasoned elder statesmen/women) need to stand up and state the obvious: On sufficiently long time scales, the internet will not tolerate states, and states will not be able to withstand the influence of the internet. The ability to copy and send bytes around the world, to capture and disseminate media in such a way that forces transparency, but…

If anything states are much more involved in policing internet than 20 years ago. As more and more stuff goes online, I don't see governments reversing this trend, quite the oposite.

Re: Telegram abides by EU laws, including the Digital Services Act

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The more the French authorities delay in releasing official information about Durov's arrest, the worse it looks for them. I mean the West has always accused the East of employing similar tactics wrt arresting journalists/freedom fighters etc, how do we not see the irony here...

But he is not journalist, neither he is a freedom fighter

Re: Telegram abides by EU laws, including the Digital Services Act

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post #21

At some point, the adults in the room (and specifically, a few brave and seasoned elder statesmen/women) need to stand up and state the obvious: On sufficiently long time scales, the internet will not tolerate states, and states will not be able to withstand the influence of the internet. The ability to copy and send bytes around the world, to capture and disseminate media in such a way that forces transparency, but…

> On sufficiently long time scales, the internet will not tolerate states, and states will not be able to withstand the influence of the internet

To the extent that this is correct, it means states cannot tolerate the internet, and will transition to not using or allowing it.

> these are qualities that make what are today fundamental aspects of statecraft, such as state secrets, intellectual property, control over money supply and trade, surveillance, and censorship, impossible.

State secrets are primarily voided by cheap surveillance, e.g. that a laser microphone is now a high school project.

IP is covered by international agreements, though may be voided by AI.

Control over money is done by requiring residents pay taxes in whichever currency, nothing about the internet changes that.

Supply and trade correspond to people with guns on the borders, that's only going to change with personal nanoscale 3D printing and delivery by orbital bombardment, not the internet.

Surveillance is likely to get much more prevalent rather than become impossible, e.g. aforementioned laser microphones.

Censorship might become impossible. Or perhaps we'll find new ways to do it. Jamming works by increasing the noise so you can't get a signal, GenAI may do that easily.

Re: Telegram abides by EU laws, including the Digital Services Act

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post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Facebook is also full of drug and malware shops and advertisements for such.

Meta will take down those ads if reported. What is important when it comes to regulators is not whether you fail to comply or not. It is whether you take your responsibility to comply seriously e.g. timely responses to information requests, continuous process improvement etc.

No they won't. I report all the time and every one of them they told me they reviewed it and disagree the ads/posts are against the law.

Re: Telegram abides by EU laws, including the Digital Services Act

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The Via Rail scam card ads have been on facebook for months. You can figure out it's a scam with a 2 second google search: https://www.facebook.com/viarailcanada/posts/scam-warning-av... I reported it (like others in this thread), but facebook said it didn't break any rules. I requested another review, and they said the same thing, with no way for me to make any comments or replies. Perhaps they will remove certain a…

The priority for regulators are money laundering, sanctions evasion, terrorism, CSAM, trafficking etc. Serious crimes where people's lives are at stake. Scams in general are towards the bottom on everyone's priority list.

Why are you changing the focus to regulators and not meta moderation which is what you claimed that is done? (and many proved in this thread that no they don't remove content that breaks local laws).

Re: Telegram abides by EU laws, including the Digital Services Act

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post #7

Can't the EU make their own messaging app?

Maybe they dont need to

>The European Commission has told its staff to start using Signal, an end-to-end-encrypted messaging app, in a push to increase the security of its communications.

https://www.politico.eu/article/eu-commission-to-staff-switc...

Re: Telegram abides by EU laws, including the Digital Services Act

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post #2

"It is absurd to claim that a platform or its owner are responsible for abuse of that platform." What an utter ridiculous and misleading statement from the company that LITERALLY REFUSES to take down drug and malware shops from its platform. There's tens of academic studies that have looked at this problem and many of them have Telegram as the worst offender. Here's just one of the studies: https://cyber.fsi.stanford…

Instagram and Snapchat is full of illegal shit.

Re: Telegram abides by EU laws, including the Digital Services Act

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post #9

> It is absurd to claim that a platform or its owner are responsible for abuse of that platform As the law places certain responsibilities onto platforms, if you (any platform not just Telegram) say this kind of thing, are you sure you're following the law right, or are you just saying the law is wrong and bad?

> > It is absurd to claim that a platform or its owner are responsible for abuse of that platform

Didn't some crypto mixer coin network creator just get found guilty for this?

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