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Re: Telegram abides by EU laws, including the Digital Services Act

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Post by NetOpWibby »

ilrwbwrkhv wrote: post #69
IdiocyInAction wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The UK leads in Europe for start up founding… Almost nobody in the UK works for the same company for 50 years and this used to be a thing in the US too. Canada has similar laws/issues. Social mobility is also higher in the UK than the US: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_Social_Mobility_Index Now I don’t trust these indices tbh, but I trust them more than a nice sounding anecdote. There is a class divide in the U…

That's why Canada also is one of the worst countries in G8 and maybe the most mediocre countries when it comes to actual startup investment and building something new for the world and growing the share of the pie. On top of that, they have a horrible system where nobody can get a doctor. Everybody has to pay double to get a block of butter and housing is so high that you get a whole neighborhood in the US for that p…

American here.

I was under the impression that Canadian healthcare was incredible. At least, that's what I've been told for years by randos online.

Re: Telegram abides by EU laws, including the Digital Services Act

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Post by wkat4242 »

throwaway22032 wrote: post #60
adamtaylor_13 wrote: post #57

The EU has proven itself time and time again to be so openly anti-innovation that it’s difficult to even take legislation like the Digital Services Act seriously. None of my products operate in the EU and for good reason. I have no interest in playing the legal games required to support them. I wish I more fully understood the cultural differences that make this anti-innovation stance so prevalent in the EU.

Old world aristrocratic mindset. It's not just the European Union, the UK is the same. There is a heavy bias towards what works for the incumbents. One of the ways in which this plays out in Britain is that almost everyone is culturally conditioned to consider themselves as being a certain "class" of person e.g. they'll never start a business, they'll never earn above a certain amount, they'll work 50 years for a com…

The US dream of "making it" is all about money.

What we in Spain consider "making it" is to enjoy life, having time to relax, pursuing hobbies, spending time with family. And not having to worry about healthcare bills and pensions. We don't need a lot of money for that. I don't always want more. I just want enough.

In the US the vast majority never "makes it" and they are far worse off than we are here. I think Europe is great the way it is. I would not move to the US even if I was offered a job there. In fact I don't even want to visit and never have though I've lived in many countries around the world.

Re: Telegram abides by EU laws, including the Digital Services Act

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Post by delbronski »

adamtaylor_13 wrote: post #57

The EU has proven itself time and time again to be so openly anti-innovation that it’s difficult to even take legislation like the Digital Services Act seriously. None of my products operate in the EU and for good reason. I have no interest in playing the legal games required to support them. I wish I more fully understood the cultural differences that make this anti-innovation stance so prevalent in the EU.

I wouldn’t say anti-innovation. The EU just places more value on protecting workers/consumers than businesses. I can understand that to a lot of Americans a government that tries to protect its people from businesses may not make sense. But most of us in this side of the world cheer on when big companies like Apple have to bend to the EU. Yes, even if it makes starting my own business more difficult.

As a European entrepreneur I care a lot more about consumers/workers being treated fairly than I do about innovation. I know the EU does not always get this right. But man, the US treats is workers and consumers like crap.

I wish I more fully understood the cultural differences that makes this business-first stance so prevalent in the United States.

Re: Telegram abides by EU laws, including the Digital Services Act

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Post by jaharios »

wkat4242 wrote: post #82
throwaway22032 wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Old world aristrocratic mindset. It's not just the European Union, the UK is the same. There is a heavy bias towards what works for the incumbents. One of the ways in which this plays out in Britain is that almost everyone is culturally conditioned to consider themselves as being a certain "class" of person e.g. they'll never start a business, they'll never earn above a certain amount, they'll work 50 years for a com…

The US dream of "making it" is all about money. What we in Spain consider "making it" is to enjoy life, having time to relax, pursuing hobbies, spending time with family. And not having to worry about healthcare bills and pensions. We don't need a lot of money for that. I don't always want more. I just want enough. In the US the vast majority never "makes it" and they are far worse off than we are here. I think Europ…

Both systems think they are right, both are coping. One is slave to hustling and greed with no time/chance to enjoy basic things in life. The other will always be under the boots of the employees/managers and complain while enjoying basic things. Both are slaves to their masters, just enjoying a comfort enough to keep going at it.

Re: Telegram abides by EU laws, including the Digital Services Act

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Post by peripitea »

wkat4242 wrote: post #82
throwaway22032 wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Old world aristrocratic mindset. It's not just the European Union, the UK is the same. There is a heavy bias towards what works for the incumbents. One of the ways in which this plays out in Britain is that almost everyone is culturally conditioned to consider themselves as being a certain "class" of person e.g. they'll never start a business, they'll never earn above a certain amount, they'll work 50 years for a com…

The US dream of "making it" is all about money. What we in Spain consider "making it" is to enjoy life, having time to relax, pursuing hobbies, spending time with family. And not having to worry about healthcare bills and pensions. We don't need a lot of money for that. I don't always want more. I just want enough. In the US the vast majority never "makes it" and they are far worse off than we are here. I think Europ…

>In the US the vast majority never "makes it" and they are far worse off than we are here.

Mississippi, the poorest state in America, has 33% higher GDP per capita than Spain does.

Re: Telegram abides by EU laws, including the Digital Services Act

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Post by justinclift »

peripitea wrote: post #85
wkat4242 wrote: post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The US dream of "making it" is all about money. What we in Spain consider "making it" is to enjoy life, having time to relax, pursuing hobbies, spending time with family. And not having to worry about healthcare bills and pensions. We don't need a lot of money for that. I don't always want more. I just want enough. In the US the vast majority never "makes it" and they are far worse off than we are here. I think Europ…

>In the US the vast majority never "makes it" and they are far worse off than we are here. Mississippi, the poorest state in America, has 33% higher GDP per capita than Spain does.

You're proving the point of the commenter you're replying to. ;)

They're pointing out that "richness" comes from measuring all parts of a person's life.

But you immediately revert to talking about only money. It's super ironic.

Re: Telegram abides by EU laws, including the Digital Services Act

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Post by NikkiA »

rad_gruchalski wrote: post #46
tptacek wrote: post #25

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Wasn't Matrix in the running for this? And Threema is the standard in Switzerland, I believe.

Well, Matrix is incorporated in the UK, not a member state of the EU, and Switzerland also isn’t a member state of the EU.

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Re: Telegram abides by EU laws, including the Digital Services Act

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Post by wkat4242 »

jaharios wrote: post #84
wkat4242 wrote: post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The US dream of "making it" is all about money. What we in Spain consider "making it" is to enjoy life, having time to relax, pursuing hobbies, spending time with family. And not having to worry about healthcare bills and pensions. We don't need a lot of money for that. I don't always want more. I just want enough. In the US the vast majority never "makes it" and they are far worse off than we are here. I think Europ…

Both systems think they are right, both are coping. One is slave to hustling and greed with no time/chance to enjoy basic things in life. The other will always be under the boots of the employees/managers and complain while enjoying basic things. Both are slaves to their masters, just enjoying a comfort enough to keep going at it.

> The other will always be under the boots of the employees/managers and complain while enjoying basic things.

No, not really.

Employees have actual rights here in Europe :) Most of my (ex-)managers are also my friends. There is no boot. We get lots of holidays, we get a good lump sum when we are laid off because there is no "at will" employment and grievances can be discussed fairly.

There's always reason to complain of course but we're not bad off.

Re: Telegram abides by EU laws, including the Digital Services Act

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Post by manuelmoreale »

peripitea wrote: post #85
wkat4242 wrote: post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The US dream of "making it" is all about money. What we in Spain consider "making it" is to enjoy life, having time to relax, pursuing hobbies, spending time with family. And not having to worry about healthcare bills and pensions. We don't need a lot of money for that. I don't always want more. I just want enough. In the US the vast majority never "makes it" and they are far worse off than we are here. I think Europ…

>In the US the vast majority never "makes it" and they are far worse off than we are here. Mississippi, the poorest state in America, has 33% higher GDP per capita than Spain does.

> GDP per capita is often considered an indicator of a country's standard of living; however, this is inaccurate because GDP per capita is not a measure of personal income.

It also doesn’t take into account cost of living. You might as well make 300% more but if everything is 500% more expensive I don’t see why that’s an indication of things being better.

Re: Telegram abides by EU laws, including the Digital Services Act

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Post by [deleted] »

tpm wrote: post #27
spwa4 wrote: post #22

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It shows what the EU action is about. It's not about telegram's supposed crimes, whatever you think they are, because other platforms are full of the same crimes. The difference is that other platforms give EU states access to people's private messages. If you go into the technicalities of what EXACTLY this means, it started with a list of 27 organizations that got blanket access, without judicial oversight (because…

Which EU action? France which arrested Durov is not the EU. The EU can't arrest anyone, only the member states can. Durov was not arrested because of the EU DSA.

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