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Re: Telegram abides by EU laws, including the Digital Services Act

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Post by rasz »

adamtaylor_13 wrote: post #57

The EU has proven itself time and time again to be so openly anti-innovation that it’s difficult to even take legislation like the Digital Services Act seriously. None of my products operate in the EU and for good reason. I have no interest in playing the legal games required to support them. I wish I more fully understood the cultural differences that make this anti-innovation stance so prevalent in the EU.

innovation like selling drugs and ordering hitmen? Which US social media platforms can be used to quickly, effortlessly and openly sell drugs? I know of one that tried, owner is in US prison right now.

Re: Telegram abides by EU laws, including the Digital Services Act

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Post by sudosysgen »

rasz wrote: post #59

There is a war going on in Europe right now. Real war with tanks, bombs and rockets, often hitting hospitals in Kyiv for some weird reason. This arrest put russians in a panic mode. Did you know russian army is actually using Telegram for coordinating strikes, and Discord for FPVs? https://youchu.be/watch?v=mwtbTuLZXWw You know something is up when russians, and Snowden (or his handler), are calling the arrest of Fre…

This is irrelevant. The Russians can just switch to Signal, or run their own instance of Telegram trivially.

Re: Telegram abides by EU laws, including the Digital Services Act

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Post by pokot0 »

adamtaylor_13 wrote: post #57

The EU has proven itself time and time again to be so openly anti-innovation that it’s difficult to even take legislation like the Digital Services Act seriously. None of my products operate in the EU and for good reason. I have no interest in playing the legal games required to support them. I wish I more fully understood the cultural differences that make this anti-innovation stance so prevalent in the EU.

It’s the difference between legislation for the benefit of people and legislation for the benefit of businesses. Both can be good or bad, it’s just a different mindset.

Re: Telegram abides by EU laws, including the Digital Services Act

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Post by mc32 »

ronsor wrote: post #3
aa_is_op wrote: post #2

"It is absurd to claim that a platform or its owner are responsible for abuse of that platform." What an utter ridiculous and misleading statement from the company that LITERALLY REFUSES to take down drug and malware shops from its platform. There's tens of academic studies that have looked at this problem and many of them have Telegram as the worst offender. Here's just one of the studies: https://cyber.fsi.stanford…

Facebook is also full of drug and malware shops and advertisements for such.

…and Mastodon, and… basically all social media.

So it’s likely another reason but the authorities are using legal pretenses to arrest this guy.

Re: Telegram abides by EU laws, including the Digital Services Act

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Post by stainablesteel »

adamtaylor_13 wrote: post #57

The EU has proven itself time and time again to be so openly anti-innovation that it’s difficult to even take legislation like the Digital Services Act seriously. None of my products operate in the EU and for good reason. I have no interest in playing the legal games required to support them. I wish I more fully understood the cultural differences that make this anti-innovation stance so prevalent in the EU.

the EU may as well go back to the stone age, it seems to be what they want

Re: Telegram abides by EU laws, including the Digital Services Act

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Post by kattagarian »

rasz wrote: post #59

There is a war going on in Europe right now. Real war with tanks, bombs and rockets, often hitting hospitals in Kyiv for some weird reason. This arrest put russians in a panic mode. Did you know russian army is actually using Telegram for coordinating strikes, and Discord for FPVs? https://youchu.be/watch?v=mwtbTuLZXWw You know something is up when russians, and Snowden (or his handler), are calling the arrest of Fre…

ukrainians uses telegram just as much. It's a popular app in eastern europe and asia.

Re: Telegram abides by EU laws, including the Digital Services Act

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Post by mc32 »

rasz wrote: post #61
adamtaylor_13 wrote: post #57

The EU has proven itself time and time again to be so openly anti-innovation that it’s difficult to even take legislation like the Digital Services Act seriously. None of my products operate in the EU and for good reason. I have no interest in playing the legal games required to support them. I wish I more fully understood the cultural differences that make this anti-innovation stance so prevalent in the EU.

innovation like selling drugs and ordering hitmen? Which US social media platforms can be used to quickly, effortlessly and openly sell drugs? I know of one that tried, owner is in US prison right now.

Probably Mastodon.

Re: Telegram abides by EU laws, including the Digital Services Act

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Post by IdiocyInAction »

throwaway22032 wrote: post #60
adamtaylor_13 wrote: post #57

The EU has proven itself time and time again to be so openly anti-innovation that it’s difficult to even take legislation like the Digital Services Act seriously. None of my products operate in the EU and for good reason. I have no interest in playing the legal games required to support them. I wish I more fully understood the cultural differences that make this anti-innovation stance so prevalent in the EU.

Old world aristrocratic mindset. It's not just the European Union, the UK is the same. There is a heavy bias towards what works for the incumbents. One of the ways in which this plays out in Britain is that almost everyone is culturally conditioned to consider themselves as being a certain "class" of person e.g. they'll never start a business, they'll never earn above a certain amount, they'll work 50 years for a com…

The UK leads in Europe for start up founding…

Almost nobody in the UK works for the same company for 50 years and this used to be a thing in the US too.

Canada has similar laws/issues.

Social mobility is also higher in the UK than the US: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_Social_Mobility_Index

Now I don’t trust these indices tbh, but I trust them more than a nice sounding anecdote.

There is a class divide in the UK but it's more complex/nuanced than what is described in this comment.

Re: Telegram abides by EU laws, including the Digital Services Act

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Post by ilrwbwrkhv »

IdiocyInAction wrote: post #68
throwaway22032 wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Old world aristrocratic mindset. It's not just the European Union, the UK is the same. There is a heavy bias towards what works for the incumbents. One of the ways in which this plays out in Britain is that almost everyone is culturally conditioned to consider themselves as being a certain "class" of person e.g. they'll never start a business, they'll never earn above a certain amount, they'll work 50 years for a com…

The UK leads in Europe for start up founding… Almost nobody in the UK works for the same company for 50 years and this used to be a thing in the US too. Canada has similar laws/issues. Social mobility is also higher in the UK than the US: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_Social_Mobility_Index Now I don’t trust these indices tbh, but I trust them more than a nice sounding anecdote. There is a class divide in the U…

That's why Canada also is one of the worst countries in G8 and maybe the most mediocre countries when it comes to actual startup investment and building something new for the world and growing the share of the pie. On top of that, they have a horrible system where nobody can get a doctor. Everybody has to pay double to get a block of butter and housing is so high that you get a whole neighborhood in the US for that price.

That is why the countries like uk canada and also Europe are incredibly poor.

Class system and anti-innovation.

Re: Telegram abides by EU laws, including the Digital Services Act

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Post by throwaway22032 »

IdiocyInAction wrote: post #68
throwaway22032 wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Old world aristrocratic mindset. It's not just the European Union, the UK is the same. There is a heavy bias towards what works for the incumbents. One of the ways in which this plays out in Britain is that almost everyone is culturally conditioned to consider themselves as being a certain "class" of person e.g. they'll never start a business, they'll never earn above a certain amount, they'll work 50 years for a com…

The UK leads in Europe for start up founding… Almost nobody in the UK works for the same company for 50 years and this used to be a thing in the US too. Canada has similar laws/issues. Social mobility is also higher in the UK than the US: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_Social_Mobility_Index Now I don’t trust these indices tbh, but I trust them more than a nice sounding anecdote. There is a class divide in the U…

A company, not the same company.

I don't think that social mobility can be measured statistically, because it depends on people actually trying. I actually think that the UK does have fairly high social mobility _but_ the vast majority of people get stuck in local maxima, and the laws are influenced by that (e.g. stuff like obsession with the mediocre outcome).

Having said that, the index you've pasted is complete bollocks. I don't know what they are measuring but it has nothing to do with what I would consider social mobility (e.g. ability to move into a different social class or perhaps earn a significantly different amount to your parents). The factors they use seem super focused on socialist policies which I don't think have anything to do with mobility.

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