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Telegram abides by EU laws, including the Digital Services Act

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Re: Telegram abides by EU laws, including the Digital Services Act

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Post by cryptonector »

heraldgeezer wrote: post #36
amelius wrote: post #7

Can't the EU make their own messaging app?

Maybe they dont need to >The European Commission has told its staff to start using Signal, an end-to-end-encrypted messaging app, in a push to increase the security of its communications. https://www.politico.eu/article/eu-commission-to-staff-switc...

This is probably more about keeping their communications from the public's prying eyes. In the U.S. this sort of thing is illegal: all intra-government communications must be a matter of record except for oral communications.

Re: Telegram abides by EU laws, including the Digital Services Act

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Post by tptacek »

rad_gruchalski wrote: post #46
tptacek wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wasn't Matrix in the running for this? And Threema is the standard in Switzerland, I believe.

Well, Matrix is incorporated in the UK, not a member state of the EU, and Switzerland also isn’t a member state of the EU.

See for instance https://matrix.org/blog/2021/07/21/germany-s-national-health...

Re: Telegram abides by EU laws, including the Digital Services Act

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Post by thefourthchime »

jMyles wrote: post #21

At some point, the adults in the room (and specifically, a few brave and seasoned elder statesmen/women) need to stand up and state the obvious: On sufficiently long time scales, the internet will not tolerate states, and states will not be able to withstand the influence of the internet. The ability to copy and send bytes around the world, to capture and disseminate media in such a way that forces transparency, but…

I'm starting to feel like the eu is an embodiment of the comic book guy from The Simpsons. He's just there and takes up space, complain about everything, and not do anything themselves.

Re: Telegram abides by EU laws, including the Digital Services Act

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Post by twelve40 »

Muromec wrote: post #32
Timber-6539 wrote: post #14

The more the French authorities delay in releasing official information about Durov's arrest, the worse it looks for them. I mean the West has always accused the East of employing similar tactics wrt arresting journalists/freedom fighters etc, how do we not see the irony here...

But he is not journalist, neither he is a freedom fighter

He definitely claims to be, "social media focused on freedom of speech and privacy". That's likely wishful thinking, but the way they went after him reinforces that image.

Re: Telegram abides by EU laws, including the Digital Services Act

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Post by immibis »

stefan_ wrote: post #43
ben_w wrote: post #9

> It is absurd to claim that a platform or its owner are responsible for abuse of that platform As the law places certain responsibilities onto platforms, if you (any platform not just Telegram) say this kind of thing, are you sure you're following the law right, or are you just saying the law is wrong and bad?

Not a good start if they start shouting about the Digital Services Act, which of course has nothing to do with their CEO being arrested at an airport.

Not if the CEO was arrested for not doing things the Digital Services Act says he doesn't have to do.

Re: Telegram abides by EU laws, including the Digital Services Act

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Post by adamtaylor_13 »

The EU has proven itself time and time again to be so openly anti-innovation that it’s difficult to even take legislation like the Digital Services Act seriously. None of my products operate in the EU and for good reason. I have no interest in playing the legal games required to support them.

I wish I more fully understood the cultural differences that make this anti-innovation stance so prevalent in the EU.

Re: Telegram abides by EU laws, including the Digital Services Act

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Post by rasz »

There is a war going on in Europe right now. Real war with tanks, bombs and rockets, often hitting hospitals in Kyiv for some weird reason. This arrest put russians in a panic mode. Did you know russian army is actually using Telegram for coordinating strikes, and Discord for FPVs? https://youchu.be/watch?v=mwtbTuLZXWw

You know something is up when russians, and Snowden (or his handler), are calling the arrest of French citizen in France "taking hostages".

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Post by throwaway22032 »

adamtaylor_13 wrote: post #57

The EU has proven itself time and time again to be so openly anti-innovation that it’s difficult to even take legislation like the Digital Services Act seriously. None of my products operate in the EU and for good reason. I have no interest in playing the legal games required to support them. I wish I more fully understood the cultural differences that make this anti-innovation stance so prevalent in the EU.

Old world aristrocratic mindset.

It's not just the European Union, the UK is the same.

There is a heavy bias towards what works for the incumbents.

One of the ways in which this plays out in Britain is that almost everyone is culturally conditioned to consider themselves as being a certain "class" of person e.g. they'll never start a business, they'll never earn above a certain amount, they'll work 50 years for a company (not the same necessarily, just "a company"), if they're lucky they'll get a mortgage on a 2 bedroom house. They look down on others who want more than that, which works very well for those who have it and want to maintain that moat.

Contrast that with the US in which success is celebrated and even the poorest dream of one day "making it".

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