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Re: DJI ban passes the House and moves on to the Senate

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Post by csomar »

mardifoufs wrote: post #330
mrtksn wrote: post #208

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It's a meme on Twitter, essentially libertarians are pushing the idea that EU killed its tech industry through heavy reagulation and by tech they mean online advertisement. They keep posting graphs of market capitalisation claiming that Europe must be failing because doesn't have speculative public trading stocks. There's also the top-list theme, making list of top-10 companies by market cap, claiming that if your co…

There's no speculative stocks in Europe? Seriously? I guess if you ignore all the stock markets in Europe, sure? Also, it's funny that you mention Goebels. It's ironic even when you repeat the same tropes about the US and how it's supposedly beholden to the capital markets and speculators. Europe has its giants. Europe usually does not attack its giants. That's why you get megacorps like Maersk or Airbus or Volkswage…

The current conflict with China has the benefit that it dropped all of them masks off. You'd be labeled a conspiracy theorist if you suggested otherwise to the narrative of the free trading liberal west.

Now that the emperor is fully naked; colonialism never ceased to exist, it just took a different form. The next decade is going to be very interesting, and not in a good way.

Re: DJI ban passes the House and moves on to the Senate

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Post by csomar »

wyager wrote: post #566
HeatrayEnjoyer wrote: post #376

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People die from inability to afford something as fundamental as healthcare in the US. You are poorer than any European ever could be.

> You are poorer than any European ever could be Are you talking about me, personally, or Americans in general? I suppose it doesn't really matter - you'd be wrong in either case. The median person in the poorest US state is richer than the median person in the UK, for example. Most Americans grumble about paying for healthcare, and we are getting ripped off, but it's also very rare for someone to actually die becaus…

> The median person in the poorest US state is richer than the median person in the UK, for example.

This is due to the garbage GDP numbers. Based on these, the quality of life in the Mississippi is better than in Japan. Not a single chance. The US numbers are highly inflated by the financial sector and real estate. It'll take a financial crisis and dethroning of US dollar to show how truly poor these places are.

Re: DJI ban passes the House and moves on to the Senate

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Post by csomar »

coldtea wrote: post #484
wyager wrote: post #366

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This attitude is why EU countries are mostly quite poor compared to the US and have relatively unproductive and low-tech economies. You bring it upon yourself.

And the above attitude is why the US is a joke with people who can't afford education, healthcare, or a home, 70+ yo still working their ass off in McJobs, crumbling public infrastructure, homeless and billionaires laughing all the way to the bank... Then you're comparing countries with better distributed quality of life based on GDP or the presence of billionaires and unicorns, as if between you, Zuck, and Musk you…

Link: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_wealth_pe...

US ranks 3 by mean but 15 by median. It's ahead of most European by mean but by median most West European are ahead. And this doesn't adjust for property prices.

Re: DJI ban passes the House and moves on to the Senate

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Post by csomar »

wyager wrote: post #569
coldtea wrote: post #484

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And the above attitude is why the US is a joke with people who can't afford education, healthcare, or a home, 70+ yo still working their ass off in McJobs, crumbling public infrastructure, homeless and billionaires laughing all the way to the bank... Then you're comparing countries with better distributed quality of life based on GDP or the presence of billionaires and unicorns, as if between you, Zuck, and Musk you…

> And the above attitude is why the US is a joke with people who can't afford education, healthcare, or a home The median American has all of these things better than the median European, except maybe healthcare. That's tough to compare. Some countries like the UK clearly have worse healthcare than the US. Most of the top colleges are American. American homes tend to be much larger and nice than European homes. > The…

> Whether you compare median or mean, Americans reliably come out ahead, except for a few small Euro countries (mostly tax havens for American companies).

No. Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_wealth_pe...

By median, the US is on par with Italy. If you adjust for property prices (cheaper in Italy), then it's definitively lower.

Re: DJI ban passes the House and moves on to the Senate

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Post by darby_nine »

hatsix wrote: post #369
darby_nine wrote: post #284

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none of this insight will help america compete with china. at first blush it seems like instead we're cutting ourselves off at the ankle.

So... what WILL help america compete with China? (without playing the same game) How could the US build out a competitive drone industry with chinese manufacturers able to cut price because the Chinese government will cover the gap? Drones are not yet an "essential" piece of technology for the country as a whole. We're currently at "cutting ourselves off at the toe" territory... in a few years we'd be even more depen…

> (without playing the same game)

Presumably this is the actual answer—they're just better at manufacturing than we are at this point. By a large margin, as well. There is no shortcut to reversing decades and decades of shipping entire supply chains overseas at greatly reduced cost. We're just going to get substandard products at a greater cost to both the taxpayer (subsidy option) and the consumer (market option).

> How could the US build out a competitive drone industry with chinese manufacturers able to cut price because the Chinese government will cover the gap?

You swallow your losses until you automate your way out of a labor disadvantage or give up. Frankly the only reason this is getting attention is because it's seen as a military asset. It's basically burning cash to make the pentagon feel better about itself and generate a few hundred jobs at great cost to the taxpayer and pretending this is making some effort towards something valuable.

Re: DJI ban passes the House and moves on to the Senate

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Post by cynicalsecurity »

balls187 wrote: post #304
cynicalsecurity wrote: post #79

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Okay, but what will happen if US goes to war with China? This can happen much quicker and easier than you think. Some Chinese delusional leader is going to attack Taiwan and voila, all the import from China will immediately stop at that exact moment.

> Okay, but what will happen if US goes to war with China? Actual armed conflict? Total annihilation. Neither side wants this. Its why China will not invade Taiwan, and why the US won't put its boot on the neck of the China.

Okay, in a few years China senselessly invades Taiwan just because. Not a real scenario?

Re: DJI ban passes the House and moves on to the Senate

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Post by chme »

wyager wrote: post #364
chme wrote: post #333

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That isn't a concrete example of a regulations that hinder innovation.

What do you think the cause is? Unwashed eggs?

Why are you asking me? And what does 'Unicorns' have to do with innovation anyway?

Re: DJI ban passes the House and moves on to the Senate

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Post by chme »

wyager wrote: post #571
permo-w wrote: post #389

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any number of reasons: language barriers, existing American firms anti-competing, smaller domestic markets, less centralisation, and, yes, in some cases, regulation, but, when it comes down to it, it's better to have smaller firms that don't (or less frequently) damage society than larger firms than do, even just from the perspective of wealth distribution.

> it's better to have smaller firms that don't (or less frequently) damage society I'm not sure about that - I really like my lifestyle which would be nearly impossible to attain in Europe, but is very attainable for Americans. I don't see how you're materially better off because you're forced to use foreign companies (Google, Facebook, etc.) instead of having your own.

What are you talking about? I am unable to follow your reasoning, maybe you can walk us through?

Re: DJI ban passes the House and moves on to the Senate

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Post by lazyeye »

dji4321234 wrote: post #350
TheChaplain wrote: post #328

I don't trust DJI. I was looking to replace my GoPro with the DJI Action, but their app was not on the Play-store. It can only be side-loaded on Android, because their app breaks a number of policies on privacy and data gathering. I believe I saw a site that decompiled their app and found a number of worrisome things.

> It can only be side-loaded on Android, because their app breaks a number of policies on privacy and data gathering. I don't think this is the reason, I think it's more that they're just too lazy to jump through the approval and maintenance hoops that come with an app store, especially because their home market (China) doesn't even use the Play Store. The iOS version of their app is Apple-approved and present in the…

This is a naive take Im wondering if its intentional disinfo.

Re: DJI ban passes the House and moves on to the Senate

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Post by taneq »

dji4321234 wrote: post #350
TheChaplain wrote: post #328

I don't trust DJI. I was looking to replace my GoPro with the DJI Action, but their app was not on the Play-store. It can only be side-loaded on Android, because their app breaks a number of policies on privacy and data gathering. I believe I saw a site that decompiled their app and found a number of worrisome things.

> It can only be side-loaded on Android, because their app breaks a number of policies on privacy and data gathering. I don't think this is the reason, I think it's more that they're just too lazy to jump through the approval and maintenance hoops that come with an app store, especially because their home market (China) doesn't even use the Play Store. The iOS version of their app is Apple-approved and present in the…

I haven't used a DJI drone since I got my Spark, so this is a few years out of date, but when I set that up the procedure was incredibly locked down and invasive. You had to install the app, which had to have full access to everything, and which had to have an active internet connection to update the drone firmware. So at the least, it was extorting your physical location, details of any wifi network, access to phone photos, and iirc a bunch of other stuff (like I said it was a few years). The whole way through the app took a very authoritative tone ("do X, do Y, you must do Z") as well. I used a dedicated second hand phone with no SIM card (after initial setup) but it was still uncomfortable and there's no way in hell I'd have allowed the app on my main phone. No idea what it's like now but I'd be amazed if it's more free or respectful of privacy.

I don't think they're a CCP front, and their actual core product engineering is amazing, but my understanding is that like any sufficiently large organisation in China (or any country, I guess) they must comply with government instructions.

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