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Post by FredPret »

Kye wrote: post #318

Maybe I never got to the part of an economics education that covers exceptions having stopped at intro econ, but don't trade wars almost always lead to bad times?

The theory is that it leads to worse outcomes for the weaker partner and less-bad outcomes for the stronger one.

- People used to think Japan was going to overtake the USA, until a short trade war in the 80's sent Japan on a downward spiral.

- The trade war against Russia hurt the West a lot with higher energy and food prices, but it whacked the Russian economy very much harder.

- The same thing can be said for the West vs USSR - it hurt the West, but bankrupted the USSR

Re: DJI ban passes the House and moves on to the Senate

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Post by mrtksn »

grumpyprole wrote: post #301
mrtksn wrote: post #208

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's a meme on Twitter, essentially libertarians are pushing the idea that EU killed its tech industry through heavy reagulation and by tech they mean online advertisement. They keep posting graphs of market capitalisation claiming that Europe must be failing because doesn't have speculative public trading stocks. There's also the top-list theme, making list of top-10 companies by market cap, claiming that if your co…

I had always assumed that the UK killed it's tech industry by selling it all off for short term gain. That needs regulation to prevent.

IMHO it has nothing to do with the governments, in Europe there's no that kind of money and the investor mentality is very different than the Americans and the European culture is much less accommodating to failure.

It's the European way to roll, the Brits are trying to be a bit more like the Americans but its worlds apart. The American spirit is something else, I wish we had it in Europe but maybe its not compatible at all with the European way of life. So, if you feel adventurous, motivated and ambitious you go to USA to make it big.

Re: DJI ban passes the House and moves on to the Senate

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Post by chme »

lukeramsden wrote: post #311
chme wrote: post #251

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Any concrete examples you are referring to?

Can start with the number of unicorns in USA vs Europe, especially when you take population in to account https://www.failory.com/unicorns

That isn't a concrete example of a regulations that hinder innovation.

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Post by kube-system »

WhackyIdeas wrote: post #81
squarefoot wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Probably yes. The industry can fight with quality or price against Chinese bad products and non Chinese good products, but products that are both Chinese and top notch quality are going to dominate the market because of comparatively lower costs. Now, that law can indeed have some basis, in theory, but tailoring it to a single brand won't achieve much as the Chinese industry can rebrand products at a cost and in time…

I agree with your impression. It reminds me.. when someone is cheating on a partner, they are more likely to think they are being cheated on too. I have experienced this, being accused non-stop when actually they were the one cheating all along. Just because USA likes tampering with proprietary code and using NDA’s with Silicon Valley to bug just about anything they want (because they can), that paranoia consumes the…

> Just because USA likes tampering with proprietary code and using NDA’s with Silicon Valley to bug just about anything they want (because they can), that paranoia consumes them that other countries are doing the same.

During times of war, other countries absolutely do the same.

Re: DJI ban passes the House and moves on to the Senate

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Post by mardifoufs »

empath75 wrote: post #31
henvic wrote: post #28

DJI is, by far, the best drone equipment brand for photography, industrial usage, etc. It's disheartening to witness the US embracing protectionism for high-tech. If the United States does this, it might as well join the European Union's decadence in killing tech startups by stifling the competitiveness of their market...

It's definitely economic protectionism but it's mostly protectionism for national security reasons. I assume the US is going to start manufacturing drones for war in large numbers in the near term and they need to be made at home (or at least by allies).

Yeah the thing is that the US always, always justified everything by using the "national security" excuse/narrative. When another country does it to the US and its corporations, which has by far the longest modern history of getting involved in other nations national security, then it suddenly becomes an attack on free trade and pure protectionism.

Re: DJI ban passes the House and moves on to the Senate

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Post by team_gold »

As someone who has a DJI Mini what are the options for a consumer drone made by a US company? Everything on https://www.diu.mil/blue-uas-cleared-list is either widely different, 15x as expensive, not purchasable by civilians at all, or all of the above. Parret appears to have stopped selling their consumer model entirely. Skydio 2+ seems like the closest thing but it also no longer appears to be for sale either. All their links to the starter kit are dead and only options is to contact sales for enterprise deals.

Re: DJI ban passes the House and moves on to the Senate

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Post by sbarre »

Lisdexamfeta wrote: post #303
henvic wrote: post #28

DJI is, by far, the best drone equipment brand for photography, industrial usage, etc. It's disheartening to witness the US embracing protectionism for high-tech. If the United States does this, it might as well join the European Union's decadence in killing tech startups by stifling the competitiveness of their market...

All Xi has to do is stop barreling towards an invasion of Taiwan. The U.S., Europe, and Japan need to create and enhance a drone industrial base before China invades Taiwan. By the time it has invaded, creating the industrial base will be too late. Also, China has created DJI through government-sponsored industrial policy, not via open markets.

> China has created DJI through government-sponsored industrial policy, not via open markets.

So like Boeing, Intel, Lockheed-Martin, GE, IBM, etc..

That's nothing new, just 50-100 years behind the west...

Re: DJI ban passes the House and moves on to the Senate

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Post by mardifoufs »

dangoor wrote: post #73

For people wonder how this got there, the blame goes to Rep. Elise Stefanik: https://www.congress.gov/bill/118th-congress/house-bill/2864 That bill was tacked onto a big "must pass" defense authorization and may not have survived on its own. Here's an article with some speculation on why Stefanik introduced this bill: https://dronexl.co/2024/06/06/drone-industry-outrage-stefani...

I'd rather blame everyone who voted on this, actually. Every one in Congress is an adult and were free to decide how to vote on this, afaik.

Re: DJI ban passes the House and moves on to the Senate

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Post by cherioo »

squarefoot wrote: post #59
Sparkle-san wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

DJI arguably makes the best consumer camera drones on the market. Why ban them? Because they're Chinese probably. https://www.dji.com/camera-drones

Probably yes. The industry can fight with quality or price against Chinese bad products and non Chinese good products, but products that are both Chinese and top notch quality are going to dominate the market because of comparatively lower costs. Now, that law can indeed have some basis, in theory, but tailoring it to a single brand won't achieve much as the Chinese industry can rebrand products at a cost and in time…

This feels like rehashing much of the conversation about TikTok, and earlier Huawei.

It is a national security concern. Whether the cure is better than the poison only time will tell.

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Post by chme »

SSLy wrote: post #307
chme wrote: post #251

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Any concrete examples you are referring to?

The bi annual push for chat control (key „escrow”)

Granted the chat control issue, is unfortunate on the privacy front, however I wouldn't call it a hindrance on innovation.

IMO, often innovation happens because it is motivated to work around rules and regulations. So in many cases regulation and rules are what drives innovation. People want to hack the system and thus have to innovate. A completely hacked and open system doesn't really inspire new ideas, because the old ones just work fine already.

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