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Re: DJI ban passes the House and moves on to the Senate

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Slightly off-topic, but it reminds me of the Tesla restriction around governmental buildings in China last year, citing the same set of reasons (data collection, national security, etc.). It seems that the restriction was lifted recently [1].

[1]: https://www.pcmag.com/news/china-lifts-tesla-restrictions-pa...

Re: DJI ban passes the House and moves on to the Senate

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Except Intel, all the hardware is produced in Taiwan or abroad at TSMC. Samsung and Intel ( + all others) buy their fabs at ASML. Cars: my preference is still German ( and Toyota). Tesla is really low build quality and it's claims for FSD ( as it's "technological innovation") is a joke. But, Waymo is ahead though. Planes: Well, Airbus, duh.

If you zoom in on the just the hardware production market then yes sure, although that seems more an artifact of a small number of highly specialized manufacturers than evidence of startup friendliness, otherwise I'd expect to see a bunch of competing manufacturers rather than a handful of huge ones. In the context of this conversation also, when we say "tech" we're usually talking about much more than just hardware…

Well. It's not about the cheapest place where to get business done. I doubt it's the US fyi...

It's where the money is there in large numbers for the bang per buck.

Additionally: Natural resources ( middle east) or continents that are not land locked with bad actors ( almost everywhere outside of the US / Canada).

Additionally, 1 language/culture to rule them all has an incredible benefit compared to Europe.

Just my POV fyi. Coming from Belgium, 10 million people and 3 official languages. An European tax number is relatively new too.

Re: DJI ban passes the House and moves on to the Senate

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I don't trust DJI. I was looking to replace my GoPro with the DJI Action, but their app was not on the Play-store. It can only be side-loaded on Android, because their app breaks a number of policies on privacy and data gathering. I believe I saw a site that decompiled their app and found a number of worrisome things.

I don't think "being in the Play store" means something is trustable, it just means you trust Google Play Services and Google with all of your data, and by extension, the US government. Being located in the US, I am arguably far more concerned about the US government tracking me than the Chinese government. The US government has jurisdiction over me, the Chinese government does not.

This is an incredibly naive view.

Re: DJI ban passes the House and moves on to the Senate

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While I agree with you, I doubt banning Chinese tech will remedy this problem. My experience is that American brands are much, much more aggressive about making you connect to the internet, install our apps, create an account, subscribe to our newsletter etc. Look at the difference between iRobot and Chinese robot vacuums on Amazon - the difference is night and day.

And yet the US government isn't worried about a US company leaking photos of sensitive information to the US government. The same cannot be said of the Chinese government who may be happy to get extensive drone footage of everyday US infrastructure which can be used in a future war. Meanwhile, China won't even let Google provide a valid map of the country... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Google_Maps#Google_Maps_in_Ch…

The US government is right to be worried about China. Individuals, especially but not exclusively those of us who aren't US citizens, might well have more to fear from the US.

Re: DJI ban passes the House and moves on to the Senate

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shitty laws in thailand are no excuse for human rights infringements in the other 99% of the world

Requiring an account to use a DJI drone is a human rights violation?

yes, extorting your personal data including things like high-resolution geolocation of where you are, that's a human rights violation. it strips you of your right to privacy. it's also a national security threat, and it's still a national security threat even if the company that's extorting it is domestic

dji having access to cameras also strips anyone the drone can see of their human right to privacy

Re: DJI ban passes the House and moves on to the Senate

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post #366

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This attitude is why EU countries are mostly quite poor compared to the US and have relatively unproductive and low-tech economies. You bring it upon yourself.

People die from inability to afford something as fundamental as healthcare in the US. You are poorer than any European ever could be.

> You are poorer than any European ever could be

Are you talking about me, personally, or Americans in general? I suppose it doesn't really matter - you'd be wrong in either case. The median person in the poorest US state is richer than the median person in the UK, for example.

Most Americans grumble about paying for healthcare, and we are getting ripped off, but it's also very rare for someone to actually die because they can't afford it. Anyone in the top, say, 80% of American society has some form of employer-subsidized insurance.

Re: DJI ban passes the House and moves on to the Senate

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post #366

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This attitude is why EU countries are mostly quite poor compared to the US and have relatively unproductive and low-tech economies. You bring it upon yourself.

> This attitude is why EU countries are mostly quite poor compared to the US and have relatively unproductive and low-tech economies. Source? Are you adjusting for cost of living, per capita, and using the median?

> Source?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_(nomi...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_(PPP)...

> Are you adjusting for cost of living, per capita, and using the median?

Yes, yes, and no (irrelevant because it barely shifts the result)

Re: DJI ban passes the House and moves on to the Senate

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I understand that, and I think it's a fair point, but there is also the issue of leadership . E.g. there are tons of Republican "elites" who know that the whole "stop the steal" stuff and falsehoods around Trump winning in 2020 are complete, total, and utter bullshit. We know this because they've said it! My favorite example is when Liz Cheney wrote in her book that Republican Rep Mark Green said, as he was signing e…

I agree in the abstract, but I think that’s encompassed by my point that the Republican base wants to fight fire with fire: https://youtu.be/iRYB6N8fBKQ?si=-bSwtvosf-o4PE0z . I think “principled Republicans” don’t know what time it is. Trump’s only mistake was not saying “I formally concede” before spending years saying the election was stolen. That’s the new normal and has been since 2000.

And yet, with all those examples in that video of Democrats saying those things (some of which I think are valid, e.g. that Russian propaganda did help Trump get elected even if there was no collusion, though I don't agree at all that this makes Trump's presidency "illegitimate"), trying to say that is equivalent to what Trump did in 2020/2021 is plain ridiculous.

For one, despite her rhetoric, Hillary Clinton actually conceded the 2016 election. Obama actually sat down with Trump when he was president-elect in the White House. I don't recall Obama egging on an unruly mob to attack the Capitol to prevent certification of Trump's win.

And similarly, I'm having a very difficult time believing that Bush supporters would have conceded as graciously as Gore did in 2000. So spare me with the "both sides"-isms.

Re: DJI ban passes the House and moves on to the Senate

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post #366

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This attitude is why EU countries are mostly quite poor compared to the US and have relatively unproductive and low-tech economies. You bring it upon yourself.

And the above attitude is why the US is a joke with people who can't afford education, healthcare, or a home, 70+ yo still working their ass off in McJobs, crumbling public infrastructure, homeless and billionaires laughing all the way to the bank... Then you're comparing countries with better distributed quality of life based on GDP or the presence of billionaires and unicorns, as if between you, Zuck, and Musk you…

> And the above attitude is why the US is a joke with people who can't afford education, healthcare, or a home

The median American has all of these things better than the median European, except maybe healthcare. That's tough to compare. Some countries like the UK clearly have worse healthcare than the US.

Most of the top colleges are American. American homes tend to be much larger and nice than European homes.

> Then you're comparing countries with better distributed quality of life based on GDP

The distribution is really not that skewed. In most states, median income is within 40% of mean income.

Whether you compare median or mean, Americans reliably come out ahead, except for a few small Euro countries (mostly tax havens for American companies).

Re: DJI ban passes the House and moves on to the Senate

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So I guess the new viable business strategy in the US is: 1. Find a sector which a foreign companies dominates 2. Enter this sector even with a bad product 3. Go to congress and get the other ones banned because they are "insert reason here".

That's how tech works with all over-reaching governments. (China, Russia, Korea, Japan and the US, etc.)
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