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Re: Apple Intelligence for iPhone, iPad, and Mac

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Post by markus_zhang » Mon, Jun 10, 2024, 9:06 PM UTC

skilled wrote: post #564

markus_zhang wrote: post #549

TBH, I think the IT industry is too concentrated at eating itself. We are happily automating our jobs away and such while the other industries basically just sleep through. I don't want generative AI in my phone. I want someone, or something to book a meeting with my family doctor, the head of my son's future primary school, etc. I don't need AI to do that. I need the other industries (medical/government/education) t…

I wonder if Apple ever approached Google about using Gemini as the flagship integration. I say that because during the keynote I kept thinking to myself, this could be the moment that Google realises it needs to stick to what it knows best - Search - and all they have to do is sit back and watch the hype fade away. But that’s in a perfect world. Even to this day, post ChatGPT, I still can’t imagine how I would ever u…

TBF I was too harsh in my original comment. I did use ChatGPT to automate away the chore part of the coding (boiler plate for example). But I have a gut feeling that in maybe 5-10 years this is going to replace some junior programmer's job.

My job can be largely "AIed" away if such AI gets better and the company feeds internal code to it.

Re: Apple Intelligence for iPhone, iPad, and Mac

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Post by fckgw » Mon, Jun 10, 2024, 9:06 PM UTC

windowshopping wrote: post #499

The "Do you want me to use ChatGPT to do that?" aspect of it feels clunky as hell and very un-Apple. It's an old saw, but I have to say Steve Jobs would be rolling over in his grave at that. Honestly confused as to why that's there at all. Could they not come up with a sufficiently cohesive integration? Is that to say the rest ISN'T powered by ChatGPT? What's even the difference? From a user perspective that feels re…

It's a clear delineation between "My data is on my device or within Apple's ecosystem" and "My data is now leaving Apple and going to a 3rd party"

Re: Apple Intelligence for iPhone, iPad, and Mac

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Post by preezer » Mon, Jun 10, 2024, 9:07 PM UTC

markus_zhang wrote: post #549

TBH, I think the IT industry is too concentrated at eating itself. We are happily automating our jobs away and such while the other industries basically just sleep through. I don't want generative AI in my phone. I want someone, or something to book a meeting with my family doctor, the head of my son's future primary school, etc. I don't need AI to do that. I need the other industries (medical/government/education) t…

Ohhhh yes. That's why I was so hyped about Google Duplex or duo?! Never heard of it again....

Re: Apple Intelligence for iPhone, iPad, and Mac

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Post by theshrike79 » Mon, Jun 10, 2024, 9:07 PM UTC

jeroenhd wrote: post #476

Terretta wrote: post #437

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I see no real difference between 2 and 3. This #2, so-called "Private Cloud Compute", is not the same as iCloud. And certainly not the same as sending queries to OpenAI. Quoting: “With Private Cloud Compute, Apple Intelligence can flex and scale its computational capacity and draw on larger, server-based models for more complex requests. These models run on servers powered by Apple silicon, providing a foundation t…

"We make the hardware and we pinky promise that we will protect your data and will open source part of it" means nothing for privacy. Especially when things like warrants come into play.

If we can't trust independent audits of code and hardware, what can we trust?

Re: Apple Intelligence for iPhone, iPad, and Mac

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Post by iLoveOncall » Mon, Jun 10, 2024, 9:07 PM UTC

markus_zhang wrote: post #549

TBH, I think the IT industry is too concentrated at eating itself. We are happily automating our jobs away and such while the other industries basically just sleep through. I don't want generative AI in my phone. I want someone, or something to book a meeting with my family doctor, the head of my son's future primary school, etc. I don't need AI to do that. I need the other industries (medical/government/education) t…

> Do you know that my family doctor ONLY take calls?

And despite that it's still your family doctor.

I fully agree with your vision. It's obvious once laid out in words and it was a very insightful comment. But the incentives are not there for other industries to automate themselves.

Re: Apple Intelligence for iPhone, iPad, and Mac

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Post by markus_zhang » Mon, Jun 10, 2024, 9:08 PM UTC

segmondy wrote: post #569

markus_zhang wrote: post #549

TBH, I think the IT industry is too concentrated at eating itself. We are happily automating our jobs away and such while the other industries basically just sleep through. I don't want generative AI in my phone. I want someone, or something to book a meeting with my family doctor, the head of my son's future primary school, etc. I don't need AI to do that. I need the other industries (medical/government/education) t…

The world has never cared about what you want. Your life has always revolved around the world. Don't like it, you vs the world. Beat it if you can.

I agree. It's just some rant. Whatever, better bury it under the other comments...

Re: Apple Intelligence for iPhone, iPad, and Mac

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Post by FinnKuhn » Mon, Jun 10, 2024, 9:08 PM UTC

dmix wrote: post #535

windowshopping wrote: post #499

The "Do you want me to use ChatGPT to do that?" aspect of it feels clunky as hell and very un-Apple. It's an old saw, but I have to say Steve Jobs would be rolling over in his grave at that. Honestly confused as to why that's there at all. Could they not come up with a sufficiently cohesive integration? Is that to say the rest ISN'T powered by ChatGPT? What's even the difference? From a user perspective that feels re…

I thought it was the smartest and most pragmatic thing they've announced. Being best in class for on-device AI is a huge market opportunity. Trying to do it all would be dumb like launching Safari without a google search homepage partnership. Apple can focus on what they are good at which is on device stuff and blending AI into their whole UX across the platform, without compromising privacy. And then taking advantag…

I think they also announced the possibility to integrate Siri with other AI platforms than ChatGPT so this prompt would be especially useful to make clear to the user which of these AIs Siri wants to use.

Re: Apple Intelligence for iPhone, iPad, and Mac

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Post by cyberpunk » Mon, Jun 10, 2024, 9:08 PM UTC

Spod_Gaju wrote: post #537

theshrike79 wrote: post #490

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Apple is again going where Google (the world's largest ad company) cannot follow: 100% user privacy. They really hammered in the fact that every bit is going to be either fully local or publicly auditable to be private. There's no way Google can follow, they need the data for their ad modeling. Even if they anonymise it, they still want it.

"100% user privacy." That is a huge stretch and a signal as to how good Apple is with their marketing. If they are still letting apps like GasBuddy to sell your location to insurance companies then they are no where near "100% privacy".

Why should apple be in control of what individual apps do with your location data? You explicitly grant the app access to your data, and agreed to the terms.

The difference between that and this is extremely clear is it not?

Re: Apple Intelligence for iPhone, iPad, and Mac

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Post by theshrike79 » Mon, Jun 10, 2024, 9:08 PM UTC

SoftTalker wrote: post #471

Terretta wrote: post #437

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I see no real difference between 2 and 3. This #2, so-called "Private Cloud Compute", is not the same as iCloud. And certainly not the same as sending queries to OpenAI. Quoting: “With Private Cloud Compute, Apple Intelligence can flex and scale its computational capacity and draw on larger, server-based models for more complex requests. These models run on servers powered by Apple silicon, providing a foundation t…

Yes, that's all well and good but assumes no mistakes and no National Security letters ordering them to describe it that way and no changes of control or business strategy at some point in the future. Once the data is out of your possession it's out of your control.

There are VERY few things that can keep your information safe if a TLA wants it. You need to go full Edward Snowden with phones in faraday cages and typing passwords under a sheet -levels of paranoia to be fully safe.

Drow "nation state is after me" from the threat model and you'll be a lot happier.

Re: Apple Intelligence for iPhone, iPad, and Mac

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Post by blixt » Mon, Jun 10, 2024, 9:08 PM UTC

Did I miss the explanation of how they trained their image generation models? It's brave of a company serving creative professionals to generate creative works with AI. I'm a fan of using generative AI, but I would have expected them to at least say a little about what they trained on to make their diffusion models capable of generating these images.

Other than that, using an LLM to handle cross-app functionality is music to my ears. That said, it's similar to what was originally promised with Siri etc. initially. I do believe this technology can do it good enough to be actually useful though.