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Re: Apple releases MGIE, an AI-based image editing model

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Post by tiltowait »

system16 wrote: post #20
dosinga wrote: post #18

Interesting read, but then suddenly there's this passive aggressive paragraph: Apple stock has taken a beating as of late, in part because analysts have loudly proclaimed that the company is behind Meta, Google, and Microsoft in generative AI implementation. It's not clear why this wasn't a problem when it wasn't first to a mobile phone, a tablet, a smartwatch, or a VR headset, but is with generative AI. somebody is…

I also found that an odd statement. If you need a “why” analysts may not feel confident about Apple’s ability to deliver when it comes to AI, look no further than Siri and Apple Maps.

I'll grant you Siri, of course, but why Apple Maps? From my use, it should be held as an example of how Apple can convert a bad launch into a good product.

Re: Apple releases MGIE, an AI-based image editing model

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Post by bombcar »

kj99 wrote: post #90
bombcar wrote: post #85

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Fitbit and various other "exercise-aimed" smartwatches were already out way before the Apple Watch, and there were other smartwatches (such as Pebble) - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smartwatch has a whole listing. Apple came in quite late and slurped up much of the market. If their watch was Android-compatible, it'd be even more.

They may not have been the first in the category, but those products were arguably a generation behind what apple introduced. Fitbit in particular was like comparing a flip phone to an iPhone.

That's usually what they do (from a small number of examples, to be sure) - come in polished enough that it feels (or is) a generation ahead to those who haven't been watching.

I don't know if they've been able to pull this off with AVP, as most people are just ignoring it.

Re: Apple releases MGIE, an AI-based image editing model

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gcr wrote: post #24

The significant part of this, for me, is not the image model. It's that Apple rarely publishes in the vision field. Back in Neurips (2016 I want to say?) Apple had a workshop where they said "we're going to engage more with the academic community, we're going to publish more," but since then only a small number of CV projects have seen the academic light of day. I remember one on detection of flashing lights, a white…

I wouldn’t know how good they are, but https://machinelearning.apple.com/research?page=1&domain=Com... has about 50 papers in 2023. Aren’t those in computer vision?

Re: Apple releases MGIE, an AI-based image editing model

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Post by tiltowait »

elliotbnvl wrote: post #63
dmarcos wrote: post #40

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What do you do with it? How often? Is it your first headset?

Primarily using it for software development. I'm a web dev. I'm on day three of all-day usage (~8hrs, with breaks) and my experience has improved with each day, both in terms of comfort and as I get used to visionOS. I have 10 windows open in front of me right now, including my calendars, Slack, Messages, Spotify (in Safari), ChatGPT, a reference browser for documentation, and a few other odds and ends. My main front…

What do you think of the AVP’s potential as a DAM tool, at least for hobbyists? Obviously a Lightroom subscription is way, way cheaper, but it seems like it would be awesome to have a native solution that ties in with iCloud sync and lets you blow up your photos to huge size for side-by-side comparisons.

Re: Apple releases MGIE, an AI-based image editing model

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hospitalJail wrote: post #75
hinkley wrote: post #48

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iPad? Apple watch? Slim laptops (involving aircraft metallurgy tricks)? Apple's been accused of copycatting practically since the beginning. But if you only copycat, you don't typically last this long. They can always offshore somewhere cheaper if you stand still long enough.

They are best in class for marketing though. Even chatgpt says they are the best company of all time at marketing.

And ChatGPT is the yardstick we measure things with nowadays?

Also, AFAIK, it won’t say anything specific until you ask it a question, and the away you phrase that can hugely affect its reply.

Even if it didn’t, its response still assumes (more or less) that the Internet is always right, and that is questionable.

Re: Apple releases MGIE, an AI-based image editing model

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Post by kj99 »

bombcar wrote: post #92
kj99 wrote: post #90

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They may not have been the first in the category, but those products were arguably a generation behind what apple introduced. Fitbit in particular was like comparing a flip phone to an iPhone.

That's usually what they do (from a small number of examples, to be sure) - come in polished enough that it feels (or is ) a generation ahead to those who haven't been watching. I don't know if they've been able to pull this off with AVP, as most people are just ignoring it.

I'm not sure why you'd draw that conclusion. I overheard a random group of people talking it at the dog park yesterday morning. Then I had breakfast with a friend today who isn't in tech at all, who does corporate conflict resolution, and he asked me if I'd tried a demo. Two other friends, also in no way connected to tech asked me about it and I did a demo to them over FaceTime.

I think if you personally are ignoring it, you probably don't notice how much other people aren't.

That said, I can't think of any of my friends who I would recommend to buy one at this stage, but I see Apple having no trouble selling as many as they can make.

Re: Apple releases MGIE, an AI-based image editing model

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Post by astrange »

seydor wrote: post #44
ericmcer wrote: post #4

It feels like Apple has been very quiet about their approach in some of the future spaces (self-driving, VR/AR, AI) but then they suddenly burst out with something like Vision Pro. It seems like they are biding their time and avoiding the hype knowing that they don't need to get their first. If they can produce a superior product their brand will let them dominate those markets whenever they decide to release.

yet every review calls the vision Pro a "work in progress". I don't buy this I also wonder why they broke with their naming scheme ("Pro" is not the Pro of any smaller model)

The name Apple Vision was taken.

https://apple.fandom.com/wiki/AppleVision_Display

Re: Apple releases MGIE, an AI-based image editing model

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Post by astrange »

oldpersonintx wrote: post #19
rujkking wrote: post #9

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Someone just noticed Apple’s decades old SOP. Watch the aggregate fumble about, fail over and over, then take the few ideas that survive rapid, aimless iteration attempts and add the last mile of polish. A decade of crappy Palm, WinCE, and easily forgotten Java based mobile devices came and went before iPhone. They know what software people refuse to accept; it’s the hardware experience that matters and they’ll wait…

Apple's real SOP is to make white males believe in the inevitability of Apple cultural dominance so they feel inclined to buy anything with the logo on it as a signal i.e. you convinced yourself Vision Pro was great before ever using it

Among large countries, the one with the highest Apple market share is Japan.

Re: Apple releases MGIE, an AI-based image editing model

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Post by cynicalsecurity »

nprateem wrote: post #23
theturtletalks wrote: post #17

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Apple is the master of the second mover advantage. Let the existing companies burn money in R&D, but closely monitor how customers perceive their products. What pain points exist that the current companies haven't addressed? What are the pitfalls? The first mover advantage gives you a chance to get most of the market share, but with Apple's walled garden, they don't need the first mover advantage to do that.

Except with gen AI the interface is text and there are multiple companies that have equally acceptable products. Either apple solves hallucination or makes some other AI breakthrough (i doubt it since the best researchers are probably at the hottest AI companies), or else it's just losing out as other companies capture a new market. I think the second mover will have a huge disadvantage here as companies integrate th…

"Hallucinations" can't be solved, they are there by design. This is how people's mind works too.

Re: Apple releases MGIE, an AI-based image editing model

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Post by bombcar »

kj99 wrote: post #96
bombcar wrote: post #92

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That's usually what they do (from a small number of examples, to be sure) - come in polished enough that it feels (or is ) a generation ahead to those who haven't been watching. I don't know if they've been able to pull this off with AVP, as most people are just ignoring it.

I'm not sure why you'd draw that conclusion. I overheard a random group of people talking it at the dog park yesterday morning. Then I had breakfast with a friend today who isn't in tech at all, who does corporate conflict resolution, and he asked me if I'd tried a demo. Two other friends, also in no way connected to tech asked me about it and I did a demo to them over FaceTime. I think if you personally are ignoring…

I’m sure they’ll sell, and people know about it, but by “ignoring it” I was referring to the whole virtual reality goggles market, which while it’s ahead of the VirtualBoy just hasn’t really made anything near even “Apple Watch” waves, let alone smartphone waves.
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