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Post by dwaite »

vismwasm wrote: post #175
aloer wrote: post #132

It is interesting how many here are excited about this for productive computer work. It’s also what Apple advertises with. But what is the account situation like? For years I’ve been complaining that I can’t easily use my private iPad with my company Mac because they have separate Apple IDs. Things like sidecar for a quick virtual whiteboard are basically impossible. AirPods have gotten better over the years where to…

I thought I was the only one bothered by that! I'd love to use my private iPad with my work Macbook. And at least in my case preventing that definitely won't increase iPad sales: My company won't provide me a work iPad and even if it did it wouldn't work as there are no iCloud accounts attached to our work Macbooks. Locking you customers into your ecosystem? Fine, whatever. But even within the ecosystem restricting u…

Basically the business and education group is about selling to businesses and schools, so they give them the tools they say they need. This means you wind up having configuration options which sound good to operations, but which break ecosystem support - and on BYOD break personal usage.

Literally the only cloud drive product I know of which doesn't work on my corporate laptop is iCloud Drive, because the EMM gave a checkbox to set a flag. As a result, a huge portion of built-in collaborative features and apps just don't work. I have paid seats in other products only to regain functionality lost by that checkbox.

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Post by jsheard »

crooked-v wrote: post #239
jsheard wrote: post #218

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Joycons don't have absolute positioning, only relative, they're not good enough for VR. There is one way you could do it, if you have a Valve Lighthouse setup then you could use Index or Vive controllers, but that would require manually calibrating the two independent tracking systems to align with each other and it's not exactly a cheap solution if you don't already have the gear. It's a very niche setup, but a few…

> Joycons don't have absolute positioning, only relative, they're not good enough for VR. The point would be that you don't use them for positioning at all, just buttons/thumbsticks. If you've using a Virtual Desktop-like app on the headset then it's already got positioning from the hand tracking.

Oh right, I get you. Yeah that could kinda work but it's putting a lot of faith in the accuracy of the hand tracking.

I suppose an ambitious implementation could try to fuse the hand tracking data with the IMU data from the Joycons for better resolution.

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Post by willio58 »

oriolid wrote: post #113
willio58 wrote: post #31

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I've seen a few ideas that seem really interesting, just not at the price point Apple is offering. And honestly I'm just going to wait for these headsets to be smaller and lighter too before buying one. I don't think anyone at Apple is under the impression this device is going to be a money maker, but more of a gen-1 device to provide a place to start from for further work. - Learning instruments in a guitar-hero way…

> Learning instruments in a guitar-hero way (Piano, guitar, drums) What would VR add here? For guitar-hero style instrument learning, there are already Yousician, Simply Piano / Guitar, Gibson and Fender apps, and quite a few others.

For piano it lines up the keys with the notes on your physical keyboard, so you don't need to look at a separate representation of a keyboard, you can literally see the notes fall onto your piano at the right times. Same thing with the other instruments.

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Post by dwaite »

38 wrote: post #236
aloer wrote: post #132

It is interesting how many here are excited about this for productive computer work. It’s also what Apple advertises with. But what is the account situation like? For years I’ve been complaining that I can’t easily use my private iPad with my company Mac because they have separate Apple IDs. Things like sidecar for a quick virtual whiteboard are basically impossible. AirPods have gotten better over the years where to…

> AirPods have gotten better over the years where today I can freely switch between devices belonging to different Apple IDs with the same AirPods. What the fuck. The fact that an apple ID is even involved is absurd. Should be able to just Bluetooth to any device.

You can just bluetooth to any device.

However, pairing an audio device is an exchange of settings and encryption keys, and Apple will sync that pairing that to your entire account. Hold your AirPods near your Phone and tap the button to create the initial pairing, and they start working with your Mac and Apple TV.

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Post by crooked-v »

miohtama wrote: post #215
travem wrote: post #191

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> For years I’ve been complaining that I can’t easily use my private iPad with my company Mac because they have separate Apple IDs. I have a similar complaint with my Apple Watch and my corporate issued laptop. When I am using my own computer (mac mini) I love how easy it is to use my watch to login, use it to approve actions, etc. However when it comes to my company laptop I have to type my password in repeatedly. I…

Apple’s solution is that your corporate should buy you a second watch.

On the upside, once somebody figures out how to use smartwatches for VR haptic feedback, nerds will have a reason to wear six watches.

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Post by jackschultz »

How much talk is there about how these headsets are going to be used to talk to AI models? I don't see comments about that, but that's what I imagine they'll be used for. Models will be quicker, more efficient, and be able to capture audio, and able to be run on self owned GPUs. Take a google thing, throw a fake looking person and some type of voice on top and presto, you're talking to models.

I feel like that _has_ to be why all major companies are pushing hard on vision products like this. They know AI is coming and need to be there first so their glasses are efficient and adopted where models will be easy additions.

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Post by jayd16 »

wtallis wrote: post #152
tunesmith wrote: post #7

One of the aspects of the device that has been under-realized is that when mirroring your desktop/laptop display to the AVP, you can't break out its applications into different areas. You can't pull them away from the desktop window. This is one of those things that Apple never claimed was supported, and yet there's something about that behavior that feels like such a natural intuitive implication to the technology t…

Streaming an arbitrary collection of windows instead of a single finished, composited framebuffer increases the bandwidth requirements by at least an order of magnitude. That's never going to work well over WiFi.

Just compress the stream. Total pixels increase the vram on the device but popping out a static window shouldn't take any more than a trivial amount of streaming bandwidth.

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Post by perryizgr8 »

Is the vision pro like iphone or like mac when it comes to device ownership? Can you be root on the system? Can you compile and run programs on it? Or do all apps have to be installed via an app store?

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Post by glhaynes »

AshamedCaptain wrote: post #170
cududa wrote: post #116

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I'm aware. I've worked in the space. It isn't as simple as you're making it out.

Sorry but almost 10 years ago I could do this on Xorg where the worst problem is that compositors cannot redirect input (so you had to kludge new events from scratch). I cannot imagine it would take more than _half an hour_ for someone with macOS display compositor experience to implement it.

I cannot imagine it would take more than _half an hour_ for someone with macOS display compositor experience to implement it.

What fools Apple engineering management must be, then!

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Post by rpmisms »

remedan wrote: post #79
lysecret wrote: post #51

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Im curious what do you have in mind related to fitness?

Not gp but I have multiple friends who got the Quest just to play Beat Saber as a form of cardio exercise.

Beat Saber is an insanely good game, too. Easy to learn, but the high-level play is just nuts. There's even maps that teach you dances.
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