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ICJ orders Israel to prevent genocide in Gaza, stops short of ordering ceasefire

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Post by zogrodea »

mrguyorama wrote: post #518
zogrodea wrote: post #468

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’m not a fan of Trump’s domestic policies, but I’m absolutely sure that he has the moral high-ground over Biden right now. Trump used to be a supporter of Israel and to some extent still is, but he did during his presidency see that the Palestinians want peace more than the other side. I can’t imagine Trump going behind Congress’ back to arm Israel as Biden has done. https://www.timesofisrael.com/trump-i-thought-isr…

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The conflict didn’t start on October 7th. There were still innocent kids being shot by IDF soldiers before then.

This is before October 7th, from September 2023. ‘ 2023 marks deadliest year on record for children in the occupied West Bank“

https://reliefweb.int/report/occupied-palestinian-territory/...

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Post by mderazon »

The_Colonel wrote: post #306
ben_w wrote: post #241

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> South Africa asks ICC to exempt it from Putin arrest "to avoid war with Russia" was how the rest of that headline went, along with two quotes about how Russia said such an arrest would be considered an act of war. While I would welcome Putin's arrest, I can't exactly fault South Africa for saying they'd rather not go to war .

They can avoid arresting Putin by not allowing a plane with Putin to land in South Africa.

There's 0 chance of Putin get arrested if he lands in SA. This is international law summarized in one sentence

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Post by pphysch »

mrguyorama wrote: post #533
pphysch wrote: post #450

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Hamas/Al-Qassam Brigades outright said today that they would willingly comply with a ceasefire order.

And we should believe that why? They have also said they would do Oct 7th again as many times as they could.

You only have to believe what you want to believe. I'm just answering the GP's question in the most direct possible way, by referencing the answer of a primary party.

Reuters: https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/hamas-says-it-will...

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Post by aprilthird2021 »

robertoandred wrote: post #457
password54321 wrote: post #110

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Did you know that Israel controls a whopping 13% of Gaza's water? Maybe that wasn’t widely reported for some reason.

Israel controls all water in the West Bank. Palestinians in the West Bank are not allowed to even collect rainwater because all water infra must be approved by Israel, and they don't approve much.

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Post by megous »

nicup12345689 wrote: post #210

Stopped short of.... exposing how powerless the ICJ actually is.

All courts are powerless. Ever seen a judge enforcing anything?

Enforcement organ here is Security Council and in particular individual countries.

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Post by locallost »

nemo44x wrote: post #511
locallost wrote: post #466

My views on the situation aside, the clearest I saw anyone communicate the issues from a global angle was the former French prime minister Dominique de Villepin Translated here: https://twitter.com/RnaudBertrand/status/1718201487132885246 Viewed from the angle of the West, I think the message it needs to avoid isolating itself from the world is very unusual for Western media and important. Quote: "Westerners must ope…

> The law of retaliation is a never-ending cycle. Well, there are ways to end it. Historically there have been thousands of cyclical conflicts that eventually ended without a diplomatic solution.

In this situation I disagree. The world is overwhelmingly pro Palestine, and the Arab world obviously. They will not go away. Israel will not go away either.

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Post by goatlover »

sydd wrote: post #538
kar5pt wrote: post #454

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Have you read through their case? It's pretty weak in my opinion. They seem to think that any war with a high number of casualties and insufficient humanitarian aid counts as genocide. By their standard the US committed "genocide" against Japan in WW2, arguably Germany too.

By todays standard it would be a genocide. How do you think people would react if e.g. Russia nuked 2 large cities in Ukraine leading to 100K+ deaths?

It would be a prelude to WW3 with an increasing likelihood of nuclear escalation. In which case cities in Russia, Europe and the US would be at risk.

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Post by tmnvix »

smoothjazz wrote: post #7
voisin wrote: post #6

Perhaps I am unlearned in this area but I am unclear why the Jewish state, after its people experienced the atrocities of World War II, would act in this manner toward the Palestinians. Can anyone shed light on this? I understand completely the need to rid the world of Hamas terrorists, but in the process they have shown a reckless disregard (to put it mildly) for Palestinian people and their wellbeing.

It's not about religion, it's about occupation. Zionists got permission to occupy the land from the British with The Balfour Declaration then started the invasion in full in 1948 with Nakba. When you occupy someone's land, there can never be peace until they get their land back or are fully exterminated or controlled militarily. This is why colonization most often leads to genocide or permanent apartheid.

> there can never be peace until they get their land back or are fully exterminated or controlled militarily.

I think you could add assimilation to this list. In this particular instance though, it looks almost entirely unlikely (due to Israel being fundamentally defined as a Jewish state).

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Post by aprilthird2021 »

shepherdjerred wrote: post #342
password54321 wrote: post #110

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Please share your sources

Church killing: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/dec/18/women-mother-d...

Killing of white flag wavers: https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/gaza-palestinian-israel-w...

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

aprilthird2021 wrote: post #517
RcouF1uZ4gsC wrote: post #479

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> The law of retaliation is a never-ending cycle How many wars have the US and Japan fought after WWII? Or France and Germany after WWII? How many wars have the US Government and Native Americans fought after 1900? Sometimes a clear, overwhelming victory ends cycles of violence.

The Marshall Plan and favorable trade agreements the allies gave Japan would never be extended by Israel the way it is and acts now, so there has to be another solution. Destruction didn't turn Germany and Japan around, the ability to uplift themselves did. The very thing which has been denied to Gaza since 2005 at least (and likely much longer)

> Marshall Plan and favorable trade agreements the allies gave Japan would never be extended by Israel the way it is and acts now

Between America and the oil-rich Gulf, I think we can figure it out.

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