Norway Joins Denmark in Swedish Tesla Strike/Blockade • Hacker News Board

Re: Norway Joins Denmark in Swedish Tesla Strike/Blockade

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Post by TerrifiedMouse » Wed, Dec 06, 2023, 4:38 PM UTC

marricks wrote: post #40

andsoitis wrote: post #34

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> If he wants to be remembered as the dude global labor had to organize against, I mean, the bar is already pretty low where he's at but perhaps we have yet to hit bedrock. Probably with a bit to be said about dying a hero or living long enough to become the villain through the appropriate lens. Highly recommend watching the full interview that Andrew Ross Sorkin did with Elon Musk (it is the one where he told advert…

MANY things he does are explicitly to be liked. That’s why he posts all the time, goes on interviews, shows up on SNL. Buys a social media company then burns company hours on figuring out why he isn’t the most viewed person on it. He really, really, wants to be internet liked, that’s he claims he doesn’t care about.

The guy seems to be a textbook case of narcissistic personality disorder.

https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/narcissistic-...

Re: Norway Joins Denmark in Swedish Tesla Strike/Blockade

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Post by avgcorrection » Wed, Dec 06, 2023, 4:45 PM UTC

waihtis wrote: post #173

derelicta wrote: post #103

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You are right. Those businesses should simply be managed by the workers themselves. This way we wouldn't need parallel structures and we would still get proper representation for whose who create wealth themselves.

Perhaps (and hopefully) you're being sarcastic with that marxist lingo, but thinking the entire wealth resides in employees is like thinking a set of wheels is equivalent to a car. Integral, but useless without the organized framework around it.

Perhaps (and hopefully) you’re being sarcastic with that dismissal, since assuming that someone is being second-order sarcastic is a bit too much.

Re: Norway Joins Denmark in Swedish Tesla Strike/Blockade

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Post by calamari4065 » Wed, Dec 06, 2023, 4:50 PM UTC

Regardless of your opinion on this, Musk's reaction should be pretty entertaining

Re: Norway Joins Denmark in Swedish Tesla Strike/Blockade

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Post by ImPostingOnHN » Wed, Dec 06, 2023, 4:51 PM UTC

andsoitis wrote: post #195

davidw wrote: post #190

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I read what I read, on multiple occasions, on the platform itself, rather than reported by some 3rd party. We all screw up, and IDK, maybe once could be like "uh, sorry, I was really high and not at all myself and I did this thing", but a repeated pattern is enough to convince me that where there's smoke, there's fire. I don't take any pleasure in it. I preferred thinking he was a bit weird (but who isn't) and doing…

> but a repeated pattern You think he repeatedly demonstrates antisemitism? The evidence is quite the opposite if you listened to the interviews he does on the topic of the war between Israel and Hamas (this interview being one of them, where he talks in nuanced terms about the difficulty of peace in the Middle East in general and the difficulty of the current war in particular).

Cherry picking things someone says or endorses which aren't anti-semetic doesn't explain the things they say or endorse which are anti-semetic. I have no idea how someone comes to believe "look over there" is a defense for explicitly endorsing an anti-semetic conspiracy theory.

This is like pointing out that a murderer went their whole life up until the alleged murder doing stuff that wasn't murdering (as far as we know), and has done so since, too (as far as we know), so how can they be a murderer?

It's worth noting, too, like the killer, the examples we know of are just the examples we know of.

If there's part of the interview where he admits he endorsed an anti-semetic conspiracy theory, and was wrong to do so (not just that it was a mistake) and explains how he came to endorse an anti-semetic conspiracy theory, and how he now rejects the anti-semetic conspiracy theory and the anti-semites who subscribe to it, perhaps he should put that info into the format and platform that he used to endorse an anti-semetic conspiracy theory.

Re: Norway Joins Denmark in Swedish Tesla Strike/Blockade

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Post by matsemann » Wed, Dec 06, 2023, 4:52 PM UTC

jplrssn wrote: post #164

e-i-o-a wrote: post #98

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> Few people working at Tesla Sweden have joined the strike Tesla claims that 90% of their employees in Sweden have refused to strike, but that figure seemingly includes office workers and others who would never have been part of the metalworkers' strike to begin with. The union itself claims about 50%. [0] [0] https://da.se/2023/11/sa-manga-strejkar-pa-tesla-if-metall-g...

And threats about losing their stock options if they participate, or if you're a worker not on a permanent visa you're afraid of losing your job as Musk is known to fire people over this.

Which is kinda why the strike is from other workers in other companies.

Re: Norway Joins Denmark in Swedish Tesla Strike/Blockade

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Post by cinntaile » Wed, Dec 06, 2023, 4:55 PM UTC

mint2 wrote: post #95

cultureswitch wrote: post #45

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Funny, I wonder what sort of beef transport unions have with Tesla specifically. Also, I wonder if it would completely kill their margin to just have a horde of workers drive the cars individually to Sweden.

Because if Tesla prevails in not having a collective bargaining agreement, then it opens the door to all companies doing the same thing and potentially destroys all unions as they are now.

Precisely. This is an existential battle for them so they cannot back off.

Re: Norway Joins Denmark in Swedish Tesla Strike/Blockade

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Post by jcranmer » Wed, Dec 06, 2023, 5:00 PM UTC

andsoitis wrote: post #195

davidw wrote: post #190

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I read what I read, on multiple occasions, on the platform itself, rather than reported by some 3rd party. We all screw up, and IDK, maybe once could be like "uh, sorry, I was really high and not at all myself and I did this thing", but a repeated pattern is enough to convince me that where there's smoke, there's fire. I don't take any pleasure in it. I preferred thinking he was a bit weird (but who isn't) and doing…

> but a repeated pattern You think he repeatedly demonstrates antisemitism? The evidence is quite the opposite if you listened to the interviews he does on the topic of the war between Israel and Hamas (this interview being one of them, where he talks in nuanced terms about the difficulty of peace in the Middle East in general and the difficulty of the current war in particular).

I don't think he's antisemitic, but I think his beliefs rhyme with antisemitism, sufficiently close that he could go "yep, totally true" to a slightly-coded antisemitic trope like Great Replacement Theory without realizing he's endorsing antisemitism.

Re: Norway Joins Denmark in Swedish Tesla Strike/Blockade

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Post by ExoticPearTree » Wed, Dec 06, 2023, 5:03 PM UTC

capableweb wrote: post #180

ExoticPearTree wrote: post #155

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> The effect of this is visible, e.g. when you look at efficiency of e.g. german workers compared to their US counterparts. Can you please then explain to me how ~ 332mm people in the US are more productive than ~448mm people in the EU by almost 5 trillion dollars if the Americans are less efficient?

What exactly you measure when you measure "amount of people X by almost X trillion dollars"? How did you manage to arrive at a number that supposedly means productivity of individual employees?

I compared the whole of the EU with the whole of the US in terms of people and GDP and it the numbers say the US is performing better than the EU with a third less people.

I'm measuring the success of the US economic model with the EU economic model and the US one is winning by a lot.

Re: Norway Joins Denmark in Swedish Tesla Strike/Blockade

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Post by patall » Wed, Dec 06, 2023, 5:07 PM UTC

shzhdbi09gv8ioi wrote: post #194

patall wrote: post #70

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Exactly. Stockholm experienced 10cm of snow last week and now ~-15°C (well, -20 in Uppsala) and the trains are in total chaos

News flash. Stockholm is not in southern sweden. Also Stockholm subway is famous for breaking down even if a single leave fall on the tracks.

> Southern Sweden with 80% of the Swedish population

> Stockholm is not in southern sweden

Are you sure this the level of comments you are supposed to post here?

Re: Norway Joins Denmark in Swedish Tesla Strike/Blockade

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Post by vkou » Wed, Dec 06, 2023, 5:07 PM UTC

ehvatum wrote: post #83

marricks wrote: post #54

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No, he wouldn’t get into so many mudslinging fights if he just cared about being famous. He desperately wants to be liked and thought of as cool.

There is a melancholy, defeated aspect to saying someone with such notable imagination and success as Elon is motivated only by insecurity.

I don't know what motivates him, but his outward behaviour is that of an incredibly insecure individual, who is constantly seeking validation, and often throws a tantrum when subject to criticism.