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Norway Joins Denmark in Swedish Tesla Strike/Blockade

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Re: Norway Joins Denmark in Swedish Tesla Strike/Blockade

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> If he wants to be remembered as the dude global labor had to organize against, I mean, the bar is already pretty low where he's at but perhaps we have yet to hit bedrock. Probably with a bit to be said about dying a hero or living long enough to become the villain through the appropriate lens. Highly recommend watching the full interview that Andrew Ross Sorkin did with Elon Musk (it is the one where he told advert…

In this one he admitted something about he said some very dumb shit on tweeter, so maybe his fans can accept that he does say dumb shit and stop defending that, let his lawyers and PR team defend him. IMO soon he will admit all this anti union stuff was also dumb.

> so maybe his fans can accept that he does say dumb shit and stop defending that

For what it’s worth, I don’t consider myself a fan, for the simple reason that I think no human is perfect or likable (Steve Jobs, Bach, Napoleon, Mother Theresa, to name a few). Instead it is better to evaluate someone’s ideas and impact.

What is disappointing to me is that we (I count myself here too) make up a rigid opinion of people based on memes, sound bites, unnuanced morsels of information, rather than demonstrating deep curiosity.

And so my responses on this thread should be viewed through the lens of surfacing more nuance and curiosity, rather than cheap and absolutist opinions that lack nuance.

More conversation please.

Re: Norway Joins Denmark in Swedish Tesla Strike/Blockade

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I'm not familiar with Norwegian labour law, but if it's anything like the Swedish equivalent there are narrowly defined rules about when you can and can't engage in solidarity action. It's only permissible in response to an active dispute and refusing to unload all shipments from Israel definitely wouldn't qualify.

Thanks for the clarification! Super interesting. I'm curious about how it works. Do they have to actually be on strike? B/c it sounds like in this scenario they don't loose/risk anything (wages/employment). Can the employees be fired for not doing their jobs? Can the police union also refuse to protect Tesla property/workers? Or like the public transit union? Where do they draw the line in Sweden? I've never heard of…

It's all about protecting the system of collective bargaining that has been a normal feature of Scandinavian labour relations for a century or more. I suspect that the police have duties that override the union but I imagine that they could still have an overtime ban.

No they cannot be fired under this circumstance so long as the right procedures have been followed by the union and its members.

Re: Norway Joins Denmark in Swedish Tesla Strike/Blockade

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> Where exactly did the poster say he should not be able to do so? It is implied with the phrase “burns company hours”

All I see is the implication that it’s a giant waste of everyone’s time.

I hear your sarcasm, but it is also worth to be skeptical of the claim in that same sentence that “to direct everyone there”…

Re: Norway Joins Denmark in Swedish Tesla Strike/Blockade

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Southern Sweden with 80% of the Swedish population rarely sees much snow. A few centimeters can cause big problems there too.

Exactly. Stockholm experienced 10cm of snow last week and now ~-15°C (well, -20 in Uppsala) and the trains are in total chaos

News flash. Stockholm is not in southern sweden. Also Stockholm subway is famous for breaking down even if a single leave fall on the tracks.

Re: Norway Joins Denmark in Swedish Tesla Strike/Blockade

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It sounds like you've made up your mind that he is antisemitic, so this might be in vain, but see: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38544345

I read what I read, on multiple occasions, on the platform itself, rather than reported by some 3rd party. We all screw up, and IDK, maybe once could be like "uh, sorry, I was really high and not at all myself and I did this thing", but a repeated pattern is enough to convince me that where there's smoke, there's fire. I don't take any pleasure in it. I preferred thinking he was a bit weird (but who isn't) and doing…

> but a repeated pattern

You think he repeatedly demonstrates antisemitism? The evidence is quite the opposite if you listened to the interviews he does on the topic of the war between Israel and Hamas (this interview being one of them, where he talks in nuanced terms about the difficulty of peace in the Middle East in general and the difficulty of the current war in particular).

Re: Norway Joins Denmark in Swedish Tesla Strike/Blockade

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A friend of mine was supposed to move from Berlin to München for a job during last Saturday. He can't, trains were fucked, airport was closed, flight canceled and you can't trust DB during the best of days and weather, no way to be sure you will get there unless you have a car. Seems to be a complete clusterfuck, as someone living in the Nordics it's pretty funny to think that a bit of snow can simply grind to a halt…

> Nordics it's pretty funny to think that a bit of snow can simply grind to a halt the richest area of Germany. Yeaaah about that, Denmark is currently covered in snow and the country isn't equipped to deal with it at all. As soon as the snow starts falling busses and trains are cancelled, people realize that maybe winter tires aren't such a bad idea, roads aren't cleared because the cities don't actually have the bu…

>people realize that maybe winter tires aren't such a bad idea

Hold the phone. Are you telling me winter tires are not mandatory by law in Denmark in winter?!

Re: Norway Joins Denmark in Swedish Tesla Strike/Blockade

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How does his behavior on X contradict it? I'm not following.

Continually posting on social media about topics unrelated to building cars, rockets, satellites is all about influencing public perception of yourself. So clearly he does care what people think of him and actively spends time managing that.

But he bought X so he's also going to post about it which runs the gamut on topics around the entire world.

Re: Norway Joins Denmark in Swedish Tesla Strike/Blockade

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I get that proper unions are pretty baffling from a US perspective, where people don't mind having thousands peeing in bottles at work at Amazon as long as they get the spoon they ordered the next day. Us Scandinavians on the other hand find it pretty baffling that someone would just roll over to a megalomaniac who clearly states he would like to destroy what makes our countries great, our unions and working conditio…

I'm a European working in a country with strong labour laws. But I wouldn't want a specific union to have a monopoly over my entire country and in case I don't want them to they shouldn't meddle with my work. And to be honest I believe that the state postal workers should have absolutely no say on whether someone gets their mail delivered.

> state postal workers

Actually they are no longer state postal workers. PostNord is owned by the Swedish and Danish states but it is not a part of the state as post offices used to be, it's no longer the Royal Mail.

Re: Norway Joins Denmark in Swedish Tesla Strike/Blockade

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I believe that Tesla does not need ships to transport Tesla Model Ys from Giga Berlin to Sweden. They can use railroad. Or trucks.

Afaik only the more expensive models are manufactured in Germany, model 3 is manufactured in China, so will come by boat to Europe. The Nordic federation of transport unions has expressed support so it will be hard for Tesla to ship things by rail and road.

So Tesla can only sell high margin vehicles while the strike is happening, and we are confused why Musk has let this escalate?

In the words of Jeremy Clarkson: Oh no! Anyway…

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