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Norway Joins Denmark in Swedish Tesla Strike/Blockade

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Re: Norway Joins Denmark in Swedish Tesla Strike/Blockade

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Post by croes »

piva00 wrote: post #24
lnsru wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I am in Munich right now. Bavaria should start doing something about this. Snow from Friday is still not taken care of. Public transportation still does not work. Pathetic.

A friend of mine was supposed to move from Berlin to München for a job during last Saturday. He can't, trains were fucked, airport was closed, flight canceled and you can't trust DB during the best of days and weather, no way to be sure you will get there unless you have a car. Seems to be a complete clusterfuck, as someone living in the Nordics it's pretty funny to think that a bit of snow can simply grind to a halt…

Because most employees cannot participate in wealth.

Re: Norway Joins Denmark in Swedish Tesla Strike/Blockade

#32

Post by croes »

lnsru wrote: post #20
mrweasel wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It does tend to help. I read somewhere that "Germany is financing the EU, but Bavaria is financing Germany", that probably not entirely true, but it is fun to think about.

I am in Munich right now. Bavaria should start doing something about this. Snow from Friday is still not taken care of. Public transportation still does not work. Pathetic.

They should pay their workers more.

Re: Norway Joins Denmark in Swedish Tesla Strike/Blockade

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Post by epolanski »

toomuchtodo wrote: post #19
bitshiftfaced wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's as much about the Swedish unions not wanting a new precedent set as it is about Tesla not wanting a new precedent set.

Elon simply doesn't believe in unions and wants to operate like a dictatorship (his public personal history has a substantial paper trail on this matter, both with personal and business relationships). It works until enough people say no. Certainly, just as Elon disagrees with the idea of unions, there are likely enough folks who disagree with the idea of Elon. If he wants to be remembered as the dude global labor ha…

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Re: Norway Joins Denmark in Swedish Tesla Strike/Blockade

#34

Post by andsoitis »

toomuchtodo wrote: post #19
bitshiftfaced wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's as much about the Swedish unions not wanting a new precedent set as it is about Tesla not wanting a new precedent set.

Elon simply doesn't believe in unions and wants to operate like a dictatorship (his public personal history has a substantial paper trail on this matter, both with personal and business relationships). It works until enough people say no. Certainly, just as Elon disagrees with the idea of unions, there are likely enough folks who disagree with the idea of Elon. If he wants to be remembered as the dude global labor ha…

> If he wants to be remembered as the dude global labor had to organize against, I mean, the bar is already pretty low where he's at but perhaps we have yet to hit bedrock. Probably with a bit to be said about dying a hero or living long enough to become the villain through the appropriate lens.

Highly recommend watching the full interview that Andrew Ross Sorkin did with Elon Musk (it is the one where he told advertisers to go fuck themselves) - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2BfMuHDfGJI

It is wide ranging and fascinating. In it, he explicitly says that he doesn't do things in order for other people to like him. Instead, he focuses on making the best products (e.g. best cars, best rockets, best satellite).

Re: Norway Joins Denmark in Swedish Tesla Strike/Blockade

#35

Post by lnsru »

FirmwareBurner wrote: post #22
lnsru wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I am in Munich right now. Bavaria should start doing something about this. Snow from Friday is still not taken care of. Public transportation still does not work. Pathetic.

WDYM public transportation does not work?

It’s in German: https://www.bild.de/regional/muenchen/muenchen-aktuell/schne... This news source isn’t most reputable. But you get it from the pictures - the workers clean snow and ice by hand. We did it with neighbors on Saturday. It took 4 hours to remove 20 inches of snow without tractor for us.

Re: Norway Joins Denmark in Swedish Tesla Strike/Blockade

#36

Post by croes »

vincnetas wrote: post #30
FirmwareBurner wrote: post #26

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Expressing solidarity is the equivalent of sending "likes" or thoughts and prayers on social media.

Nope, it called solidarity strike. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solidarity_action

Which are forbidden in Germany.

Thanks to

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hans_Carl_Nipperdey

who already stripped worker of their rights in the Nazi regime.

Re: Norway Joins Denmark in Swedish Tesla Strike/Blockade

#37

Post by fl7305 »

piva00 wrote: post #24
lnsru wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I am in Munich right now. Bavaria should start doing something about this. Snow from Friday is still not taken care of. Public transportation still does not work. Pathetic.

A friend of mine was supposed to move from Berlin to München for a job during last Saturday. He can't, trains were fucked, airport was closed, flight canceled and you can't trust DB during the best of days and weather, no way to be sure you will get there unless you have a car. Seems to be a complete clusterfuck, as someone living in the Nordics it's pretty funny to think that a bit of snow can simply grind to a halt…

Southern Sweden with 80% of the Swedish population rarely sees much snow. A few centimeters can cause big problems there too.

Re: Norway Joins Denmark in Swedish Tesla Strike/Blockade

#38

Post by dark-star »

FirmwareBurner wrote: post #26
guerrilla wrote: post #17

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IG Metall already expressed solidarity, so it's really more of a question of how much it spreads and Germany and what particular actions they take.

Expressing solidarity is the equivalent of sending "likes" or thoughts and prayers on social media.

except that it also sends a strong message of "if you try similar crap in our country, we will react in the same way"

Re: Norway Joins Denmark in Swedish Tesla Strike/Blockade

#39

Post by pbasista »

sorenjan wrote: post #13

This and the Danish solidarity actions are mainly to prevent Tesla from shipping cars meant for the Swedish market to Danish or Norwegian ports and then trucking them to Sweden. The Swedish transport union stopped unloading Tesla cars at Swedish ports November 7, but Tesla Y was still one of the most sold car models in Sweden in November (second place between Volvo XC40 and XC60).

I believe that Tesla does not need ships to transport Tesla Model Ys from Giga Berlin to Sweden. They can use railroad. Or trucks.

Re: Norway Joins Denmark in Swedish Tesla Strike/Blockade

#40

Post by marricks »

andsoitis wrote: post #34
toomuchtodo wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Elon simply doesn't believe in unions and wants to operate like a dictatorship (his public personal history has a substantial paper trail on this matter, both with personal and business relationships). It works until enough people say no. Certainly, just as Elon disagrees with the idea of unions, there are likely enough folks who disagree with the idea of Elon. If he wants to be remembered as the dude global labor ha…

> If he wants to be remembered as the dude global labor had to organize against, I mean, the bar is already pretty low where he's at but perhaps we have yet to hit bedrock. Probably with a bit to be said about dying a hero or living long enough to become the villain through the appropriate lens. Highly recommend watching the full interview that Andrew Ross Sorkin did with Elon Musk (it is the one where he told advert…

MANY things he does are explicitly to be liked. That’s why he posts all the time, goes on interviews, shows up on SNL. Buys a social media company then burns company hours on figuring out why he isn’t the most viewed person on it.

He really, really, wants to be internet liked, that’s he claims he doesn’t care about.

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