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> same 250 mile range We don't actually know what the Cyberjoke's range will be. Given Tesla's history with range claims, there's no reason to trust the numbers on that website. See: https://www.reuters.com/investigates/special-report/tesla-ba... https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2023/08/angry-tesla-cust... https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2023/10/doj-subpoenas-te...
Cyberjoke... yeah no bias here.
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I am a car enthusiast (although not one who could afford either a 911 nor a Cybertruck) but respectfully, who cares about quarter mile times? Most car people I know want a car with some poke, but care much more about how it handles twisties (and how much fun it is doing so). And I'd bet my bottom dollar the 911 would beat the refrigerator-looking truck all day long.
I drive the slowest Tesla there is, but I find its acceleration from 0 to 50km/h very beneficial. It feels much more safe when merging, overtaking, etc, compared to my previous (rather weak and old) car. And I do my best to not drive as a jackass.
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Yes, they’re assuming electricity is free.
No, they didn't. From the details page: "We've assumed a fuel economy of 20.0 miles per gallon for a comparable gasoline powered truck. We've also assumed the national average of $0.16 per kilowatt-hour for residential electricity (assumed for 100% of charging) and $3.30 per gallon for gasoline over the next three years."
Also in CA that price is going up 5% per year.
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> same 250 mile range We don't actually know what the Cyberjoke's range will be. Given Tesla's history with range claims, there's no reason to trust the numbers on that website. See: https://www.reuters.com/investigates/special-report/tesla-ba... https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2023/08/angry-tesla-cust... https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2023/10/doj-subpoenas-te...
oh common, that is clearly another social media vs Twitter fight. It's not Tesla place the range. It's EPA range. Just read the article: >Tesla vehicles failed to accurately account for external factors impacting battery performance and vehicle range, leading to a gross overestimate of the vehicle's range. So, Karens want tesla to account for a/c temperature preferences, rain, wind, snow on the road, and other factor…
What?
> So, Karens want tesla to account for...
Tesla customers. People who paid $50,000+ for the privilege of owning a Tesla. Being dissatisfied with the performance of the car makes them "Karens"? Gee, I hope you guys remembered to formally excommunicate them from the Church of Musk.
Edit: Ah, I think I see the problem. Have you considered that the range is really important for a vehicle that can only be "refueled" either at home or at a handful of proprietary charging stations? Having a bad range estimate could really fuck up a road trip, especially before the charging network was built out to a reasonable density.
Nobody who's paid 50k for a car wants to limp to the next charger at 45 MPH with the windows rolled down (or worse, run out of power) because the manufacturer couldn't (or didn't want to) make a realistic range estimate.
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Cybertruck does the pack splitting thing like the GM Ultium vehicles: https://twitter.com/baglino/status/1730391023799386480 It will be interesting to see Tesla's rollout of 800V stations, so far they don't have any within their own network.
IIUC, Ultium is 400V in operation and only switches to 800V while charging on 800V units. This sounds a little different. It operates at 800V and switches to 400V for charging. I think that will simplify things and hopefully avoid Ultium's weird glitches during charging.
Faster quarter mile drag speed than a Porsche 911 _while also towing a 911_ That's incredible marketing. https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1730331223992472029
For the longest time, a section of the car enthusiast community has said that 'slow car fast is better than fast car fast'. Now a days, it is taken to mean that a light car that is fast enough is always more fun than a heavier car, no matter how fast. The Tesla Cybertruck might be the best example of this phenomenon. At 7000 lbs and a high ground clearance, there is no amount of power that can make this car feel nimb…
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Oh. Actually, let me tell you: Most trades workers don't need full-sized pickup trucks. They do need an 8 foot bed. An amazing number of full-sized pickups come with 6.5 foot beds by default, and cost extra for the 8 foot. They won't put 2 tons of gravel in there; they will put plywood sheets and lumber and power tools; boxes of nails and air compressors; the toolbox that they always want, the toolbox for this job, a…
I think most trades would be better served by a van rather than a pickup truck. Ingress and egress is much easier. It is also easier to load and drive due to lower center of gravity. Expensive tools are out of the elements and generally safer (and so less risk of tools and material making their way onto the highway). Plus, better drag coefficient and so better efficiency. Finally, a roof rack allows for those items y…
Faster quarter mile drag speed than a Porsche 911 _while also towing a 911_ That's incredible marketing. https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1730331223992472029
For the longest time, a section of the car enthusiast community has said that 'slow car fast is better than fast car fast'. Now a days, it is taken to mean that a light car that is fast enough is always more fun than a heavier car, no matter how fast. The Tesla Cybertruck might be the best example of this phenomenon. At 7000 lbs and a high ground clearance, there is no amount of power that can make this car feel nimb…
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I have admittedly not test driven it, but there's certain fundamental physical realities that are pretty hard to overcome. Ride height and vehicle weight universally negatively impact handling on the road because they increase your momentum, center of gravity, suspension travel, etc. Weight in particular is hard to counteract because going around a corner relies on being able to redirect that mass using only the fric…
Thanks for explaining your thoughts.
In terms of pure drag racing the Cybertruck is a loser. Top Fuel dragsters can do 0 to 60 in ~0.8 seconds and can do a quarter mile in less than 5 seconds. There's no comparison here.
But the Cybertruck has an insane amount of torque, 10x beyond the equivalent ICE vehicle. It can tow, that's for sure.
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$50k Cybertruck will never exist, any more than $30k Model 3 existed.
Musk promised $35k Model 3, which did in fact exist at first, for a couple months. It's now $39k. https://www.theverge.com/2016/3/31/11335272/tesla-model-3-an... https://www.tesla.com/blog/35000-tesla-model-3-available-now