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I'm mourning their lives right now, but I have no idea what I could do about any of it.
Tell your senator to not use your taxes to fund a genocide.
Just respecting Leehy Law would be enough.
The destruction of Gaza's internet is complete
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#492Earlier quoted context omitted.
Remember that an advisor to Natanyahu tweeted that the Al-Arabi Hospital was bombed by Israel because it was being used by Hamas. No, I'm not saying that the hospital was actually bombed by Israel; I'm saying that everything that Israel bombs is labelled with the "used by Hamas" tag as justification for what this really is. No one actually believes that all or even most of the buildings destroyed in this campaign was…
I believe that 99% of what they're bombing are known or very probably Hamas hot spots. They have no reason to kill regular Palestinians, but they are at war, and war is pretty fkng ugly. They have sat back for decades while Hamas lobbed rockets at them and then turn around and massacre 1400 people as if they were nothing. No I think this is pent-up and they are on a mission to end Hamas with prejudice, they are not o…
> They have sat back for decades
7x as many Palestinians have been killed in this conflict than Israelis. And on average, in the West Bank alone, Israel kills a Palestinian every day.
Moreover, to 'sit back' as an occupied in a situation founded on mass expulsion, in which settlers actively continue illegal territorial expansion is an act of real, profound, material violence.
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#493At this point, I think Gaza is pretty much doomed. There won’t be much left at the end of this special military operation.
It's estimated that Hamas has between 30,000 and 40,000 soldiers(1), which is about 6% to 8% of Gaza's entire adult male population. There's no way of getting around it: if Israel finishes the job of eradicating Hamas, a large percentage of the Gazan population will be killed or captured, purely because so many of them are actively involved in Hamas. Anyway, if Gazan citizens learn the lessons of their mistakes, they…
> Anyway, if Gazan citizens learn the lessons of their mistakes, they still have a future.
Half or so of the population is Enlighten us.
Such a bizare argument. Just justification for war crimes and crimes against humanity.
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> It is part of international laws and basic human rights that during the war you cannot demolish communication infrastructure, churches, mosques, hospitals, news agency offices, schools, civilian homes, etc. Umm you can if they are being used for military purposes.
If an entire city is held hostage by a terrorist ruling party, does that mean that you have carte blanche to raze the city and displace or eliminate its civilian population?
A terrorist ruling party that your intelligence agencies funded and armed, early on, and which your ruling party has 'propped up'¹ for decades as both a way to have a convenient enemy and to divide the Palestinian people so as to make impossible the 'two-state solution' that your government is nominally committed to, at that.
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#495Earlier quoted context omitted.
After the horrendous Hamas attacks of October 7 a portion of the Israeli public sort of lost it and have outright called for retribution. I worry that this indiscriminate bombing campaign combined with a near complete blockade of food, electricity, water of the last two weeks is reflective of that. Now with a lack of communication, I worry about Palestinians. You can never be sure what will happen, but the ingredient…
> have outright called for retribution When Israel invaded Gaza in 2014 they killed 2,310 people. 70% were civilians. In return they lost only 67 soldiers. They also destroyed 7-10k homes and damaged 87k other homes. Between 2005-2008, 1,754 Palestinians and 117 Israelis have lost their lives due to the ongoing occupation. Between 2008-2023 2,329 more Palestinians and 308 more Israeli people lost their lives. The vas…
> Now in the span of just a few days Israel has killed over 7k more Palestinians. This isn't "retribution". This is an ongoing genocide.
It is impossible to look at this blackout, especially knowing Israel's history of covering up and reading their war crimes since before the foundation of the state (see: the Katz controversy and the massacre of Tantura), and not think that its purpose is to minimize the images and information coming out of Gaza so that Israel can conduct its genocide in the dark.
The voices of Palestinians do not count, especially when they are only telling eyewitness accounts (see, again, the Katz controversy). When it comes to Israeli war crimes, only documentary evidence presented by (and ideally curated from) Israeli voices seems to reliably count.
Whatever happens in the next few days, surviving Gazans will doubtless remember. But to the rest of the world, and to history, much of it will be 'lost'.
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#496Earlier quoted context omitted.
petertodd wrote: > Anyway, if Gazan citizens learn the lessons of their mistakes, they still have a future. That is genocidal language where you are holding civilians accountable. The Gazan population does not favor Hamas according to polling prior to October 7th: https://twitter.com/ForeignAffairs/status/171800792755696451... Hamas was also boosted by Netanyahu in part to prevent a two-state solution and diminish mo…
Hamas has an estimated 30,000 to 40,000 soldiers(1). That's about 6% to 8% of the entire adult Gazan male population. It's impossible to have that many soldiers without widespread support. Maybe not a majority. But certainly a significant minority. Like it or not, a significant percentage of the adult Gazan population are responsible for Hamas because they're actively fighting for Hamas or directly supporting them. P…
Israel and only Israel is reponsible for what it's doing to Gaza. So if it will chose genocide, it will have to live with that PR nightmare for a long time. It may lose alies, and life without alies may not be so good.
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I've noticed the same here in NL, so this isn't just limited to the USA. You're either for Israel or you're an anti-semite. The possibility that you question the validity of the way Israel deals with Palestinians (notably: the settlements, which are in my opinion an outrageous violation of human rights against the original inhabitants) while at the same time not having anything in particular against Jews is something…
I don't think this is true in general. Many people that support Israel are critical of Israeli policies in the west bank (including the US administration). I think there's a problem when you apply different standard to Jews vs. everyone else or are parroting some narrative that has anti-semitic aspects to it. For example, I would call people contesting the right of Israel to exist, despite many generations of Israeli…
> For example, I would call people contesting the right of Israel to exist, despite many generations of Israelis living in that area, despite the UN's recognition of the state of Israel, and despite the historic connection of the Jewish people to that land (and there are ofcourse many non-Jewish Israelis which people tend to overlook), anti-semitic. If someone aligns themselves with this message, I would also tend to consider them anti-semitic.
The 'right of Israel to exist' is the right to maintain (by force) a demographic majority created by mass expulsion because Israel is an ethnostate in which only one race has full civil rights. Allowing the right of return to Palestinian refugees and their descendants to the homes from which they have been expelled since 1948 is the negation of Israel's 'right to exist' because 'existence' here has nothing whatsoever to do with the existence or survival of Israeli citizens.
There is absolutely nothing annihilationist (nor anti-Semitic) in denying Israel's 'right to exist'. Despite its pretensions to the contrary when convenient, Israel is not 'the Jewish state' and its people is not the Jewish people.
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Israel has been expanding at the cost of Palestine for decades. This is just the last bit. Killing or displacing the 2.2M Palestinians is what it takes for Israel to finally complete their occupation.
In the West Bank, yes. Not in Gaza, where Israel did the exactly opposite of expanding by deoccupying Gaza in 2005, even kicking out thousands of Israli Jews who were living there.
https://reliefweb.int/report/occupied-palestinian-territory/...
Yeah, I really feel for Israel after reading this. Always thinking of those poor Gazans to give them more space behind the fence.
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Except it was just a an eyewash, people tried to move got killed on the way, people also got murdered in the so called safe areas by Israel.
Do you have a breakdown of how many civilian casualties were in the north vs. south? And how many were killed on the way? Israel denies attacking anyone on the way. There was plenty of reporting showing people moving along the main arteries that were recommended and those look clear with no debris or any other evidence of attack. I'm aware of a single incident where it was claimed Israel attacked someone evacuating a…
> Do you have a breakdown of how many civilian casualties were in the north vs. south? And how many were killed on the way?
Yes, Gaza MoH publishes the stats: https://t.me/s/MOHMediaGaza (see the numbers in the map)