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Re: The destruction of Gaza's internet is complete

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...or Hamas just used modern encryption, which does work when implemented and used correctly. Merely using Signal consistently and correctly could very well be enough. There isn't an unlimited supply of over-the-air zero-day exploits.

Signal’s devs recommend that it be installed from the Play Store, and that is what the vast majority of people do. There has been heavy speculation that certain state actors are able to push a compromised Play Store update to users of interest. Moreover, the Signal board has been overhauled recently, Moxie left, and at least one new member has a US government background. It’s possible that the organization itself has…

> There has been heavy speculation that certain state actors are able to push a compromised Play Store update to users of interest.

I'm sure Hamas could figure out how to install Signal from clean APKs, or use something else entirely. They may be barbarians. But they're not stupid.

People forget that Gaza isn't a particularly poor country. It's GDP per capita is on par with neighboring Egypt, and only a little less than Ukraine. The supermajority of Gazan's have internet access too.

Re: The destruction of Gaza's internet is complete

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Someday, people in the western countries will mourn the lives lost and wish they could help in time. Except this is the time. Not after the fact and a few remains. This is an occurring theme.

I'm mourning their lives right now, but I have no idea what I could do about any of it.

Tell your senator to not use your taxes to fund a genocide.

Re: The destruction of Gaza's internet is complete

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This is propaganda. The UN is begging Israel to allow aid in: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/oct/25/un-gaza-aid-is...

UNICEF: > We have lost touch with our colleagues in Gaza. I'm extremely concerned about their safety and another night of unspeakable horror for one million children in Gaza. All humanitarians and the children and families they serve MUST be protected. Catherine Russell, UNICEF Executive Director https://twitter.com/UNICEF/status/1718006187000746048

Yes it's tragic and terrifying

Re: The destruction of Gaza's internet is complete

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petertodd wrote: > Anyway, if Gazan citizens learn the lessons of their mistakes, they still have a future. That is genocidal language where you are holding civilians accountable. The Gazan population does not favor Hamas according to polling prior to October 7th: https://twitter.com/ForeignAffairs/status/171800792755696451... Hamas was also boosted by Netanyahu in part to prevent a two-state solution and diminish mo…

> That is genocidal language where you are holding civilians accountable. The entire situation is deeply regrettable and it's hard to find any heroes here, but I feel like we forget our own history so easily. The United States, within living memory, conducted a firebombing campaign of Dresden, which had limited military value, killing over 25,000. We interned over 100,000 of our own citizens of Japanese ancestry. We…

We can be against those past misdeeds and against these current misdeeds as well. Please don't divert attention to other examples right now, because this current one is ongoing and we can appeal to our representatives to do something about the future, even if we seem helpless right now.

Re: The destruction of Gaza's internet is complete

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> At least, that certainly has to have crossed the mind of someone in power. 100%: https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20231009-israel-mk-calls-f...

Here's another one: Israeli think tank lays out a blueprint for the complete ethnic cleansing of Gaza [1].... "The Misgav Institute is headed by former Netanyahu National Security Advisor Meir Ben Shabbat, who remains influential in Israeli security circles. The Institute’s former chairpersons and founding associates include Yoaz Hendel (chair 2012-19), a right-centrist who was Minister of Communications intermittent…

It's horrific that a solution that was never going to work could well end up making Israel the progenitors of another genocide. This is the sort of thing that makes me wonder about whether humanity even stands a chance in the long run.

Re: The destruction of Gaza's internet is complete

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Evacuate to where? There's only two border crossings: to Egypt, which I believe is closed. And if Israel is letting Palestinians cross the border into Israel, that'd be news to me.

https://edition.cnn.com/2023/10/10/world/map-israel-hamas-wa... Simple google and you found the answer - shocking.

You're living some time in the 1990s, apparently.

From your own link:

> Humanitarian crisis grows as Israel cuts off Gaza

> As airstrikes in Gaza have forced hundreds of thousands of people to flee their homes and overwhelm areas, including hospitals, there is little room to go.

Oh, hang on, this supports your argument:

> People living in northern Gaza told to flee south: The Israeli military told 1.1 million people to leave densely populated northern Gaza, including Gaza City, and relocate to the south of the strip.

Good thing they're not bombing southern Gaza, since it's the Israeli's recommended evacuation point...

> Israel-Hamas war: Satellite data shows Israel intensifying bombing of south Gaza

> Satellite radar suggests that Israel has intensified its bombing of southern Gaza in the last two weeks, despite ordering residents of the north to flee southwards. (https://news.sky.com/story/gaza-war-satellite-data-shows-isr...)

Well, shit.

So maybe a bit more Googling is in order, perhaps.

Re: The destruction of Gaza's internet is complete

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Israel has given repeated warnings for the north of Gaza to evacuate south for the past two weeks while Gaza has had internet. In addition, they have dropped leaflets all over the are stating the same thing.

The only real problem is that there isn't anything to evacuate to and whatever they leave behind they'll lose forever.

and bombing the roads and executing strikes on the fleeing civilians

Re: The destruction of Gaza's internet is complete

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Israel has given repeated warnings for the north of Gaza to evacuate south for the past two weeks while Gaza has had internet. In addition, they have dropped leaflets all over the are stating the same thing.

excuse my naivete, but if they're giving two week notice about bombings, why even waste the ordinance?

Right, is the idea that it will be helpful to just make everybody homeless?

Re: The destruction of Gaza's internet is complete

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"Health Ministry in Gaza" literally the health ministry of Hamas. Why would such organization lie? /s

As I understand it, historically it's been fairly accurate and reliable. Does this guarantee they're accurate today? No. Do I blindly trust anything that's being said? No. But merely "it's Hamas, therefore the figures are false" also doesn't really cut it. See e.g. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/oct/26/can-we-trust-c...

A week ago, when Hamas dropped a rocket on THEIR OWN hospital, the "Health Ministry" said Israel killed 500 people. Despite it not being Israel, and it not killing 500 people.

They are just straight up lying

Re: The destruction of Gaza's internet is complete

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It's estimated that Hamas has between 30,000 and 40,000 soldiers(1), which is about 6% to 8% of Gaza's entire adult male population. There's no way of getting around it: if Israel finishes the job of eradicating Hamas, a large percentage of the Gazan population will be killed or captured, purely because so many of them are actively involved in Hamas. Anyway, if Gazan citizens learn the lessons of their mistakes, they…

petertodd wrote: > Anyway, if Gazan citizens learn the lessons of their mistakes, they still have a future. That is genocidal language where you are holding civilians accountable. The Gazan population does not favor Hamas according to polling prior to October 7th: https://twitter.com/ForeignAffairs/status/171800792755696451... Hamas was also boosted by Netanyahu in part to prevent a two-state solution and diminish mo…

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