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Re: The destruction of Gaza's internet is complete

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> Word on the street is Hamas is actively preventing people from evacuating. The majority of Palestinians from the north have evacuated to the south. So if they tried it was completely ineffective.

What's Israel doing to the south?

Oh, right, they're bombing it.

Re: The destruction of Gaza's internet is complete

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Dirupting enemy communications is a pretty standard goal of any army in a war. I'm more surprised it took this long.

When it happened in Iran the US opposed it: https://www.state.gov/joint-statement-on-internet-shutdowns-...

Right now you can not call ambulances or firetrucks or anything. Not all 2M Palestinians in Gaza are combatants, but I think that some people consider them to be.

Re: The destruction of Gaza's internet is complete

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Nearly all of the over 7k people killed in Gaza in the past few days are civilians. Sure Hamas, with the help of the media framing of this as a 9/11, gave them a good Casus belli, but Israel has always been good at finding Casus bellis. When Israel again invaded Gaza in 2014, they killed 2,310 people, 70% civilians and lost 67 soldiers in return. Even more destructive was the 7-10k homes completely demolished and 87k…

If the Palestinians had the same war machinery as the Israelis, do you think they’d be mindful of the ratios, or would they carry out their claims of erasing it and its population from the geography of the region? I believe if they could the Hamas leadership would not only want to destroy the Israeli military and any collateral civilians but would, if they could also destroy all civilians. Also realize many Palestini…

If this thing that has never and will never happen actually happened, do you think a thing that didn’t happen would be like a thing that is happening right now?

Did I get that right?

Re: The destruction of Gaza's internet is complete

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> have outright called for retribution When Israel invaded Gaza in 2014 they killed 2,310 people. 70% were civilians. In return they lost only 67 soldiers. They also destroyed 7-10k homes and damaged 87k other homes. Between 2005-2008, 1,754 Palestinians and 117 Israelis have lost their lives due to the ongoing occupation. Between 2008-2023 2,329 more Palestinians and 308 more Israeli people lost their lives. The vas…

White American Evangelicals are insane, they think it is their religious obligation to support Israel no matter what as a precondition for the resurrection of Jesus. White American Evangelicals are far more fanatical in their support of Israel than, for instance, American Jews. https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2013/10/03/more-whit... https://www.pewresearch.org/religion/2005/04/15/american-eva... https://www.w…

I've noticed the same here in NL, so this isn't just limited to the USA. You're either for Israel or you're an anti-semite. The possibility that you question the validity of the way Israel deals with Palestinians (notably: the settlements, which are in my opinion an outrageous violation of human rights against the original inhabitants) while at the same time not having anything in particular against Jews is something that is too subtle for quite a few people. To the point that I no longer talk about the subject with people near me because it is just depressing.

Re: The destruction of Gaza's internet is complete

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> Nearly all of the over 7k people killed in Gaza in the past few days are civilians. This number comes from Hamas, so I would take it with a grain of salt. Hamas intentionally uses its civilians as shields for their military equipment. Here is a quote from Hamas's 1988 charter: "The Day of Judgement will not come about until Moslems fight the Jews (killing the Jews), when the Jew will hide behind stones and trees. T…

It's the Health Ministry in Gaza and they've released the exact names of all 6,747 people they could account for. The UN said just 5 days ago that the figure was 5k. Given the increase in intensity 7k does not at all seem unreasonable to me https://news.un.org/en/story/2023/10/1142687

"Health Ministry in Gaza" literally the health ministry of Hamas. Why would such organization lie? /s

Re: The destruction of Gaza's internet is complete

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There will be 25 miles of beautiful Mediterranean coastline for Israeli settlers. At least, that certainly has to have crossed the mind of someone in power.

> At least, that certainly has to have crossed the mind of someone in power. 100%: https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20231009-israel-mk-calls-f...

Here's another one: Israeli think tank lays out a blueprint for the complete ethnic cleansing of Gaza [1]....

"The Misgav Institute is headed by former Netanyahu National Security Advisor Meir Ben Shabbat, who remains influential in Israeli security circles. The Institute’s former chairpersons and founding associates include Yoaz Hendel (chair 2012-19), a right-centrist who was Minister of Communications intermittently in the years 2020-22; Moshe Yaalon, former Defense Minister (note that both Hendel and Yaalon have become opposed to Netanyahu in the recent years); Moshe Arens, also former Defense Minister — and other top political personas."

[1] https://mondoweiss.net/2023/10/israeli-think-tank-lays-out-a...

Re: The destruction of Gaza's internet is complete

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Dirupting enemy communications is a pretty standard goal of any army in a war. I'm more surprised it took this long.

the west had a different opinion on russia doing the same in ukraine

"The West" doesn't have a single opinion. If there's one topic where opinions are sharply divided then it's this. Any attempt to pigeonhole what "The West" thinks on this topic is nonsense.

Re: The destruction of Gaza's internet is complete

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At this point, I think Gaza is pretty much doomed. There won’t be much left at the end of this special military operation.

It's estimated that Hamas has between 30,000 and 40,000 soldiers(1), which is about 6% to 8% of Gaza's entire adult male population. There's no way of getting around it: if Israel finishes the job of eradicating Hamas, a large percentage of the Gazan population will be killed or captured, purely because so many of them are actively involved in Hamas. Anyway, if Gazan citizens learn the lessons of their mistakes, they…

The percentage of civilian deaths of Palestinian casualties to Israel is around 70%. Their goal isn't really to target soldiers

> It's estimated that Hamas has between 30,000 and 40,000 soldiers(1)

This article does not provide a source for that figure but it's definitely on the high end. The number of members of the Izz ad-Din al-Qassam Brigades (Hamas' armed wing) has been estimated anywhere from 15-40k.

Re: The destruction of Gaza's internet is complete

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> Taking Gaza completely off the grid while launching an unprecedented bombardment campaign only means something atrocious is about to happen. A war is happening of course. Communications are critical to military operations, and Hamas has been happy to use civilian infrastructure for military purposes. Of course Israel is going to destroy it all. Sure, Hamas can still use older tech like radios. But that's a huge win…

The Hamas tunnels have landlines.
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