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Re: The destruction of Gaza's internet is complete

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Someday, people in the western countries will mourn the lives lost and wish they could help in time. Except this is the time. Not after the fact and a few remains. This is an occurring theme.

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> Word on the street is Hamas is actively preventing people from evacuating.

The majority of Palestinians from the north have evacuated to the south. So if they tried it was completely ineffective.

Re: The destruction of Gaza's internet is complete

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Nearly all of the over 7k people killed in Gaza in the past few days are civilians. Sure Hamas, with the help of the media framing of this as a 9/11, gave them a good Casus belli, but Israel has always been good at finding Casus bellis. When Israel again invaded Gaza in 2014, they killed 2,310 people, 70% civilians and lost 67 soldiers in return. Even more destructive was the 7-10k homes completely demolished and 87k…

> Nearly all of the over 7k people killed in Gaza in the past few days are civilians.

This number comes from Hamas, so I would take it with a grain of salt. Hamas intentionally uses its civilians as shields for their military equipment. Here is a quote from Hamas's 1988 charter:

"The Day of Judgement will not come about until Moslems fight the Jews (killing the Jews), when the Jew will hide behind stones and trees. The stones and trees will say O Moslems, O Abdulla, there is a Jew behind me, come and kill him. Only the Gharkad tree, (evidently a certain kind of tree) would not do that because it is one of the trees of the Jews." [1]

[1] https://avalon.law.yale.edu/20th_century/hamas.asp

Re: The destruction of Gaza's internet is complete

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Somebody is confusing Hamas with Palestinian civilians.

He's not confused, he's deliberately conflating them because he wants violent retribution against a civilian population. It seems all the wrong lessons were learned from WW2. Instead of "never again" it seems to be "this time by us."

Re: The destruction of Gaza's internet is complete

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Starlink still working?

Starlink isn't available in that region. If it was, it would of course depend on Elon Musk's mood at any given moment.

Musk tends to favor the powerful who can help his other companies succeed. That is definitely not the Palestinians.

Re: The destruction of Gaza's internet is complete

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There will be 25 miles of beautiful Mediterranean coastline for Israeli settlers. At least, that certainly has to have crossed the mind of someone in power.

Israel has been expanding at the cost of Palestine for decades. This is just the last bit. Killing or displacing the 2.2M Palestinians is what it takes for Israel to finally complete their occupation.

In the West Bank, yes. Not in Gaza, where Israel did the exactly opposite of expanding by deoccupying Gaza in 2005, even kicking out thousands of Israli Jews who were living there.

Re: The destruction of Gaza's internet is complete

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Watching mainstream news as well as tier-2 and -3 outlets perfect the passive voice has been validating for recognizing how status quo services specific political and ideological alignments despite assumptions of an ideal impartiality.

> has been able to keep some of its services online during Israel’s military response to Hamas’s attack. Looks clear-cut whose fault it is, everything was just peachy for everyone until Hamas just decided to attack out of the blue.

Except of course for those who ended up living in Gaza without that being their choice.

Re: The destruction of Gaza's internet is complete

#77
post #7

Someday, people in the western countries will mourn the lives lost and wish they could help in time. Except this is the time. Not after the fact and a few remains. This is an occurring theme.

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Do you have evidence or this is just a literal word on street?

By the way there is nowhere to escape the Isreali bombardment in gaza strip. And Palestinians don't want to leave their lands because they know they will never see it again. Hell most gazans are refugees from other parts in Palestine who had endured something like this before.

Re: The destruction of Gaza's internet is complete

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...or Hamas just used modern encryption, which does work when implemented and used correctly. Merely using Signal consistently and correctly could very well be enough. There isn't an unlimited supply of over-the-air zero-day exploits.

Signal’s devs recommend that it be installed from the Play Store, and that is what the vast majority of people do. There has been heavy speculation that certain state actors are able to push a compromised Play Store update to users of interest. Moreover, the Signal board has been overhauled recently, Moxie left, and at least one new member has a US government background. It’s possible that the organization itself has…

Tucker Carlson claims he was contacted by US intelligence asking him to call off a planned interview with Putin that he had only discussed over Signal, although that could presumably have been achieved by a keylogger or spyware without compromising Signal itself.

Re: The destruction of Gaza's internet is complete

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I've seen some speculation about the intelligence failure in not predicting the attack being related to Hamas avoiding the Internet for planning, and even deliberately sending false info on channels they knew were compromised.

...or Hamas just used modern encryption, which does work when implemented and used correctly. Merely using Signal consistently and correctly could very well be enough. There isn't an unlimited supply of over-the-air zero-day exploits.

"When implemented and used correctly" is key though. The thing with these things is that all it takes is one short lapse and you can be 100% compromised (not just that one message). People get sleepy, are in a hurry, misunderstand something, can be fooled, or are just plain idiots. And you're never quite sure what the capabilities of your enemy are.

Person-to-person on the other hand is simple, easy to understand, and while not entirely foolproof (or idiot-proof), it's a lot harder to screw up and when you do, the damage capabilities are more likely to be more limited. I'm also going to guess that Israel has a rather hard time recruiting supergrasses among Hamas/Gaza population after the last 15 years (which is different from the IRA, which was thoroughly infiltrated).

Re: The destruction of Gaza's internet is complete

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Nearly all of the over 7k people killed in Gaza in the past few days are civilians. Sure Hamas, with the help of the media framing of this as a 9/11, gave them a good Casus belli, but Israel has always been good at finding Casus bellis. When Israel again invaded Gaza in 2014, they killed 2,310 people, 70% civilians and lost 67 soldiers in return. Even more destructive was the 7-10k homes completely demolished and 87k…

>Sure Hamas, with the help of the media framing of this as a 9/11

By what possible metric was it not a 9/11-magnitude event? Proportionally, on a per-capita basis, this attack was to Israel the equivalent of killing 50,000 people out of the US' much larger population. And one in ten people in the US personally knew someone that was killed or wounded on 9/11. Almost certainly far higher, in Israel.

And the videos of people's parents, children, grandchildren being murdered were posted on social media by the perpetrators themselves.

Comparisons to 9/11 are certainly not "played up". The opposite, if anything.

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