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Windows 11's default mail client will show ads starting 2024

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Re: Windows 11's default mail client will show ads starting 2024

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It would be nice of this sort of thing could be made illegal.

In my view, they're committing a crime by unfairly leveraging a monopoly (Windows) to violate antitrust by pushing Bing, Edge, Office 365, and OneDrive.

MSFT-ActivisionBlizzard also shouldn't happen.

Re: Windows 11's default mail client will show ads starting 2024

#83

When I switched to Linux in university, it was as an idle curiosity and the pleasure of knowing my OS was FOSS. I knew I was sacrificing a bit of practicality, but like the person that works on their vintage motorcycle in the garage, the hassle was part of the fun. I would often run Windows on a second machine or at work though, I felt equally productive in both Linux and Windows. Fast-forward a decade and the Linux…

I'd really like to see Linux desktop become a popular platform for games and game development. Proton is great, but Windows is still too mainstream.

Re: Windows 11's default mail client will show ads starting 2024

#84
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It'll only show ads if you don't pay for O365. And Google do the same with GMail. I am paying for O365 family so none of my family get that. And I think I paid £59 for it last time with some voucher scamming. That gives everyone, 6 people in my case, 1TB storage, all the office desktop apps. I don't think that's a bad deal, especially compared to the shafting you get from Apple these days for icloud.

So they are trying to strong arm people into paying for a subscription by giving them a worse experience with ads until they do. Paying for it at that point is just letting Microsoft know that they were successful and should continue to implement more ads into things.

Re: Windows 11's default mail client will show ads starting 2024

#85
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> Just switch to Linux already. I did this. Again. After running Linux as my main desktop OS from about 1992 - 1999, and some years since then. > It's really there. Some compromises required, sure, but they are already far and between. I'm not sure about that, and borderline disagree. There are a lot of compromises: - The Linux desktop is far flakier and far less elegant than Windows and especially macOS. KDE's a lit…

Let's just agree to disagree. I grew up with Windows, learnt programming on it, was C++ proficient, COM, COM+, switched to C#, .NET, WinForms, WPF ... and that was when it got too much. If you know Windows, you probably can at least feel why. I earned quite a lot of money with Windows. I had tons of apps on Windows, and all alternatives on Linux are better to me (IntelliJ vs. Visual Studio, VS Code the same, CodeLion…

My hope is to find a viable enough setup to return to Linux, preferably on a modular component, unified memory ARM64 architecture of some sort, but I'm flexible.

Re: Windows 11's default mail client will show ads starting 2024

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> it's really there Battery life, display scaling, sleep & wake up issues, trackpad gestures, sound output, GPU-accelerated video playback... Just to name a couple of problems I hope not to encounter every time I decide to give Linux another chance, but I still do. To fix them, you need to run some arcane commands, edit some config files, compile your own kernel, ... I don't know. I'll have something that "just works…

> To fix them, you need to run some arcane commands At least you can fix them. Also, sorry can't help the cheap shot: how is typing "arcane commands" any different than clicking on "gnostic glyphs"? Anything can sound complex if you want it to :) I'm not disputing your experiences but it's so surprising to me. I exclusively use Linux on the desktop on numerous devices, some of which seem like prime candidates for the…

Well, a major difference is that you can discover a GUI and find solutions organically, while the shell is pretty useless without prior knowledge. Even as an experienced user, you need to know to put research into those issues.

Re: Windows 11's default mail client will show ads starting 2024

#87
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Microsoft seems determined to make all of the wrong choices for Windows. I tried the New Outlook after having issues with the default mail app. I was greeted with a message "To add your iCloud account to Outlook, we need to sync your emails, contacts, and events to the Microsoft Cloud." I'm sorry WHAT?!? You're telling me that to use a local email service I need to sync with Microsoft servers? Someone here please tel…

I think it's kind of stockholm syndrome what's going on here. Windows users I still know are either so much accustomed to the UX that they see any alternative as bad, even MacOS, or they are clinging to a past which no longer exists. Anyone, and I really mean this, who has the option tho choose between Windows, MacOS and Linux (KDE / Gnome / some custom thing) chooses one of the latter two. That's speaking of my (med…

The worse part about Windows is x86 compared to ARM based Mac laptops they are like night and day as far as loud fans, heat, speed, responsiveness and battery life.

Re: Windows 11's default mail client will show ads starting 2024

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Why does Microsoft even bother with a desktop OS these days? They have moved on to The Cloud like everyone else, so people can buy Word and not their OS. All Windows really has is a long tail of legacy apps (many of which are very good, and people don't want to give up) and games, and that has to look like a dying business model. (Unfortunately, games are pretty sticky, because they own a game console, and everyone w…

Because it prints money without much effort.

Only if it remains tolerable, though. I think they're playing around with something pretty risky; they don't integrate with any mobile devices, they don't have a web browser that any sites support, etc. and thus there is not much to keep users from switching away. They're objectively no better than Apple for most use cases, except for games and very niche software. It's a very different world than the late 90s, when they had an OS and a browser monopoly.

(Games might not even be a thing for them for much longer. Mobile games are the most accessible, and again Microsoft is not in any position to get revenue from that trend. People that buy consoles or $1900 graphics cards are not nearly as numerous.)

I am surprised that more corporate IT departments haven't switched to Linux. They can still supply the same $300 laptops, lock them down to the point of unusability, and everyone can use Word in the cloud. I'd be scared if I were Microsoft, and wouldn't want to make switching away look attractive to anyone. No ad revenue from untargeted ads in an email client could possibly be worth losing Windows as the "default" OS.

Re: Windows 11's default mail client will show ads starting 2024

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Most likely, but that isn't an excuse and it an incredibly stupid way to build an email client. MAYBE give the option if for some reason I want to do it. But for it to be the default is a stupid idea. You cannot convince me there is a valid reason for this to be a thing.

It's like that because mobile clients need cooperation from the server to have push notifications, and you can't have IMAP servers cooperate in that regard :-) so the outlook servers fetch the mail for you and then send you the notifications. I wouldn't have microsoft read my email either, of course. Thankfully in windows you have dozens of clients to choose from.

So you poll instead of getting a push?

Thats what my phone does. I could have seen the value of this 10-15 years ago but I don’t see the point now.

It isn’t like this would magically get rid of the delay either, their servers still have to poll before they can send you that notification.

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