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Windows 11's default mail client will show ads starting 2024

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Re: Windows 11's default mail client will show ads starting 2024

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Post by jacquesm »

runjake wrote: post #11
firebaze wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Just switch to Linux already. It's really there. Some compromises required, sure, but they are already far and between. Keep it for gaming if you need. But give Proton a try first. My almost 75yo dad switched recently. I swear I'm telling the truth: his main complaint was, after buying a new printer, he couldn't find the matching drivers. I told him just to print, and that was that.

> Just switch to Linux already. I did this. Again. After running Linux as my main desktop OS from about 1992 - 1999, and some years since then. > It's really there. Some compromises required, sure, but they are already far and between. I'm not sure about that, and borderline disagree. There are a lot of compromises: - The Linux desktop is far flakier and far less elegant than Windows and especially macOS. KDE's a lit…

It's just what you're used to. I wouldn't be able to get through my day on a windows box, I'd be so frustrated.

A lot of the apps that I love don't exist on windows. Unix vs windows is like a very large and well stocked toolbox versus a set of nail clippers and a bent hairpin.

Re: Windows 11's default mail client will show ads starting 2024

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Post by bravetraveler »

hhh wrote: post #16
HumblyTossed wrote: post #7

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Why? Then you have to open your browser. I use Evolution.

I don't think I am saying something controversial when I say that the majority of people have a browser open at almost all times...

Indeed, browsers are open a lot. It's nice to consolidate your needs to just tabs in there. I use Slack and plenty of other things that way too.

I will say, however, a proper email client is nice for archival purposes.

(note: not the person you're replying to, just a random passerby)

Re: Windows 11's default mail client will show ads starting 2024

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Post by lstamour »

nerdjon wrote: post #13

Microsoft seems determined to make all of the wrong choices for Windows. I tried the New Outlook after having issues with the default mail app. I was greeted with a message "To add your iCloud account to Outlook, we need to sync your emails, contacts, and events to the Microsoft Cloud." I'm sorry WHAT?!? You're telling me that to use a local email service I need to sync with Microsoft servers? Someone here please tel…

Acompli, the mobile mail app Microsoft bought and rebranded as Outlook, was like Newton and other email apps of its day - it used OAuth and cloud APIs to check messages on its servers and then created a combined inbox by sending push notifications to your phone as it received new emails on your behalf in the cloud.

It sort of sounds like maybe the same infrastructure was borrowed here to set up the iCloud account in the local Outlook app. Presumably the local app is now based on the prior Acompli infrastructure.

That said… it really doesn’t pass the sniff test, it feels like Microsoft wants your contacts the same way LinkedIn (also Microsoft) wants your contacts. Personally, I wish I hadn’t trusted Google, Meta and LinkedIn as much with my contacts as I did in the past. Live and learn, I suppose.

Re: Windows 11's default mail client will show ads starting 2024

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Post by overgard »

How many people actually use a desktop email app? I use Outlook for work (mostly because the web client is awful), but outside of that I always access my email in a browser.

Weird decision by Microsoft in my opinion. It seems like the only people that'd bother to setup Windows mail in the first place are power users, and that's the last people you want to piss off with annoying ads.

Re: Windows 11's default mail client will show ads starting 2024

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Post by firebaze »

nerdjon wrote: post #13

Microsoft seems determined to make all of the wrong choices for Windows. I tried the New Outlook after having issues with the default mail app. I was greeted with a message "To add your iCloud account to Outlook, we need to sync your emails, contacts, and events to the Microsoft Cloud." I'm sorry WHAT?!? You're telling me that to use a local email service I need to sync with Microsoft servers? Someone here please tel…

I think it's kind of stockholm syndrome what's going on here. Windows users I still know are either so much accustomed to the UX that they see any alternative as bad, even MacOS, or they are clinging to a past which no longer exists.

Anyone, and I really mean this, who has the option tho choose between Windows, MacOS and Linux (KDE / Gnome / some custom thing) chooses one of the latter two. That's speaking of my (medium sized) org of >15k Emps worldwide.

Ads, Forced Edge, Bing, Ultra-Slow file system compared to any other OS, Shady "Driver"-Sites, could go on forever. I agree this comment sounds a bit flamey, if it wasn't just describing the reality. Even MS recommends switching to Linux by now as a replacement for the Win 8 -> Win 10 / 11 upgrade.

Re: Windows 11's default mail client will show ads starting 2024

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Post by icehawk219 »

nerdjon wrote: post #13

Microsoft seems determined to make all of the wrong choices for Windows. I tried the New Outlook after having issues with the default mail app. I was greeted with a message "To add your iCloud account to Outlook, we need to sync your emails, contacts, and events to the Microsoft Cloud." I'm sorry WHAT?!? You're telling me that to use a local email service I need to sync with Microsoft servers? Someone here please tel…

I had this exact same reaction less than a week ago and it prompted me to switch to Thunderbird. For years I've fallen into the "if not for gaming ..." camp of Windows users. But I'm getting closer and closer to just not caring about that any more and switching to Mac or Linux instead just to get away from Windows.

Re: Windows 11's default mail client will show ads starting 2024

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Post by jacquesm »

abdusco wrote: post #17
firebaze wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Just switch to Linux already. It's really there. Some compromises required, sure, but they are already far and between. Keep it for gaming if you need. But give Proton a try first. My almost 75yo dad switched recently. I swear I'm telling the truth: his main complaint was, after buying a new printer, he couldn't find the matching drivers. I told him just to print, and that was that.

> it's really there Battery life, display scaling, sleep & wake up issues, trackpad gestures, sound output, GPU-accelerated video playback... Just to name a couple of problems I hope not to encounter every time I decide to give Linux another chance, but I still do. To fix them, you need to run some arcane commands, edit some config files, compile your own kernel, ... I don't know. I'll have something that "just works…

On bleeding edge hardware: possibly. On anything that is a couple of years old Linux runs out of the box, usually is rock solid. It's a bit less flashy and in your face though, but I personally prefer that.
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