I wonder if the eventual plan is to make Windows free for "home" users, and monetize it through ads. In that world, ads in every corner of the OS would be less annoying.
Windows 11's default mail client will show ads starting 2024
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Re: Windows 11's default mail client will show ads starting 2024
#52Earlier quoted context omitted.
Let's just agree to disagree. I grew up with Windows, learnt programming on it, was C++ proficient, COM, COM+, switched to C#, .NET, WinForms, WPF ... and that was when it got too much. If you know Windows, you probably can at least feel why. I earned quite a lot of money with Windows. I had tons of apps on Windows, and all alternatives on Linux are better to me (IntelliJ vs. Visual Studio, VS Code the same, CodeLion…
If Adobe or Serif announced Linux support, I’d switch in a heartbeat. I was about to add DaVinci Resolve to that list, but they actually released official Linux support, so I can cross some video editing off my list. And one presumes all web-based tools such as Figma also work well on Linux these days, so… the list of tools that aren’t Linux compatible might be vanishingly small now. But not zero, sadly.
Figma works perfectly on Linux¹. If you don't believe me, let's privately talk.
E-Mail me at glitch@qygge.com, if you like.
¹ our (sub-orga-wide) UX crew uses MacOS, almost all Devs use Linux, and both of them use Figma
Re: Windows 11's default mail client will show ads starting 2024
#53Microsoft seems determined to make all of the wrong choices for Windows. I tried the New Outlook after having issues with the default mail app. I was greeted with a message "To add your iCloud account to Outlook, we need to sync your emails, contacts, and events to the Microsoft Cloud." I'm sorry WHAT?!? You're telling me that to use a local email service I need to sync with Microsoft servers? Someone here please tel…
I had this exact same reaction less than a week ago and it prompted me to switch to Thunderbird. For years I've fallen into the "if not for gaming ..." camp of Windows users. But I'm getting closer and closer to just not caring about that any more and switching to Mac or Linux instead just to get away from Windows.
I installed Pop on a new PC (intel, nvidia) a couple of months ago. It's been barely more trouble than Windows and gaming so far has been successful (Cyberpunk, BG3).
(Tried Linux on the desktop every year for the previous 20-something, always hit some deal-breaker within a day or so. This time it's looking good.)
Re: Windows 11's default mail client will show ads starting 2024
#54I've already opt-in to the new app and it's already showing the ads. It's one small text ad, formatted to look like an email message card. I quickly learned to ignore it. And no one is forcing anyone to use this app. You can use webmail, Thunderbird, etc... I still prefer this app with the ad to opening gmail in the browser.
It's funny because you are saying they are STARTING with an insanely bad dark pattern and you're ok with it - where to next?
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#55Microsoft seem to be the worst of all the big companies that is surviving just because of extremely hard to dislodge monopolies. Consumer products come with windows, and enterprises opt for windows due to lock in. Office is so entrenched that most companies have little choice but to buy it. And Windows seems to be adding the shittiest features of almost any modern operating system. I use https://www.oo-software.com/en/shutup10 for disabling windows telemetry and the amount of flags for data tracking is insane.
M$FT have used the Office monopoly to push teams and AD to push Azure, both of which are subpar products. It is hard to find one good product they have made in the last 20 years (and yes VSCode is not it).
Re: Windows 11's default mail client will show ads starting 2024
#56Why does Microsoft even bother with a desktop OS these days? They have moved on to The Cloud like everyone else, so people can buy Word and not their OS. All Windows really has is a long tail of legacy apps (many of which are very good, and people don't want to give up) and games, and that has to look like a dying business model. (Unfortunately, games are pretty sticky, because they own a game console, and everyone w…
Because it prints money without much effort.
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#57I never imagined myself using a Linux desktop everyday, but I don't want to pay Apple for 64gb of RAM and an acceptable number of monitors via my docking station, and Microsoft is just becoming terrible. Going to have to figure out what to switch to... Yikes!
I did puppy linux on a flash drive for a while, then jumped straight to Arch.
Recently I switched to Ubuntu because I’d switched to a laptop, and I thought it would handle things more nicely for me. I regret it. It does too much.
I’d recommend the first two steps I took, though.
Re: Windows 11's default mail client will show ads starting 2024
#58I wonder if the eventual plan is to make Windows free for "home" users, and monetize it through ads. In that world, ads in every corner of the OS would be less annoying.
Why would they do that? OEMs already pay for it via agreements and at this point Windows seems to make no effort to do anything if the copy is not activated, so M$FT doesn't care about the few people not paying. Making it free would make no differnece other than killing a revenue source for no benefit. So it is very unlikely to happen.
Re: Windows 11's default mail client will show ads starting 2024
#59Earlier quoted context omitted.
Why? Then you have to open your browser. I use Evolution.
> Why? Then you have to open your browser. To me, the question isn't "why use my browser", it's "why use something else when I already have a browser and it's always open"?
For me, the answer is "because native mail clients are so much snappier and responsive".
As well as being able to choose my client based on the interface I prefer, rather than whatever UI the webmail provider decides to give me. And my mail client is also always open. And it uses less memory than a typical browser tab.
Re: Windows 11's default mail client will show ads starting 2024
#60Microsoft seems determined to make all of the wrong choices for Windows. I tried the New Outlook after having issues with the default mail app. I was greeted with a message "To add your iCloud account to Outlook, we need to sync your emails, contacts, and events to the Microsoft Cloud." I'm sorry WHAT?!? You're telling me that to use a local email service I need to sync with Microsoft servers? Someone here please tel…
Probably because the new outlook can only access microsoft servers, so they synchronise icloud to outlook server-side and you only access outlook client-side.
Most likely, but that isn't an excuse and it an incredibly stupid way to build an email client.
MAYBE give the option if for some reason I want to do it. But for it to be the default is a stupid idea. You cannot convince me there is a valid reason for this to be a thing.