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Windows 11's default mail client will show ads starting 2024

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Re: Windows 11's default mail client will show ads starting 2024

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Post by ceuk »

abdusco wrote: post #17
firebaze wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Just switch to Linux already. It's really there. Some compromises required, sure, but they are already far and between. Keep it for gaming if you need. But give Proton a try first. My almost 75yo dad switched recently. I swear I'm telling the truth: his main complaint was, after buying a new printer, he couldn't find the matching drivers. I told him just to print, and that was that.

> it's really there Battery life, display scaling, sleep & wake up issues, trackpad gestures, sound output, GPU-accelerated video playback... Just to name a couple of problems I hope not to encounter every time I decide to give Linux another chance, but I still do. To fix them, you need to run some arcane commands, edit some config files, compile your own kernel, ... I don't know. I'll have something that "just works…

> To fix them, you need to run some arcane commands

At least you can fix them.

Also, sorry can't help the cheap shot: how is typing "arcane commands" any different than clicking on "gnostic glyphs"? Anything can sound complex if you want it to :)

I'm not disputing your experiences but it's so surprising to me. I exclusively use Linux on the desktop on numerous devices, some of which seem like prime candidates for the types of issues you mention, but I've not had any major problems in literal years, especially since switching to the zen kernel.

It's always a shame when people don't like the things you do I guess.

Re: Windows 11's default mail client will show ads starting 2024

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Post by jacquesm »

daft_pink wrote: post #14

I never imagined myself using a Linux desktop everyday, but I don't want to pay Apple for 64gb of RAM and an acceptable number of monitors via my docking station, and Microsoft is just becoming terrible. Going to have to figure out what to switch to... Yikes!

I use a $300 second hand W540 maxed out on RAM (32G, I don't think it would take 16G modules but I haven't looked into that, this is sufficient) with two external monitors attached. Uses a tiny bit of power compared to the desktop that it replaced (when I switched the house over to solar power I did a conservation exercise first and my desktop was one of the worst offenders) and everything works as far as I can tell. This box has been up and running for two years non-stop now, the only big change I made to the original is to put a nice fat SSD in it and to remove the battery because it never gets unplugged anyway. As OS I use Ubuntu Studio which makes for a nice development platform for music related software.

Re: Windows 11's default mail client will show ads starting 2024

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Post by WolfeReader »

daft_pink wrote: post #14

I never imagined myself using a Linux desktop everyday, but I don't want to pay Apple for 64gb of RAM and an acceptable number of monitors via my docking station, and Microsoft is just becoming terrible. Going to have to figure out what to switch to... Yikes!

You can put Linux Mint on a bootable USB and try it, to see if it works well with your hardware. Mint is a great first Linux for former Windows users, since its desktop has a similar layout and it comes with a lot of free, good software, and maybe the best GUI software package manager ever.

Other distros have other advantages - I'm a happy NixOS user now - but Mint makes an excellent first Linux.

Re: Windows 11's default mail client will show ads starting 2024

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Post by dist-epoch »

I've already opt-in to the new app and it's already showing the ads.

It's one small text ad, formatted to look like an email message card. I quickly learned to ignore it.

And no one is forcing anyone to use this app. You can use webmail, Thunderbird, etc...

I still prefer this app with the ad to opening gmail in the browser.

Re: Windows 11's default mail client will show ads starting 2024

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Post by blibble »

nerdjon wrote: post #13

Microsoft seems determined to make all of the wrong choices for Windows. I tried the New Outlook after having issues with the default mail app. I was greeted with a message "To add your iCloud account to Outlook, we need to sync your emails, contacts, and events to the Microsoft Cloud." I'm sorry WHAT?!? You're telling me that to use a local email service I need to sync with Microsoft servers? Someone here please tel…

how can they train their parasitic AI on your emails if you don't provide it to them?

Re: Windows 11's default mail client will show ads starting 2024

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Post by lstamour »

firebaze wrote: post #22
runjake wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Just switch to Linux already. I did this. Again. After running Linux as my main desktop OS from about 1992 - 1999, and some years since then. > It's really there. Some compromises required, sure, but they are already far and between. I'm not sure about that, and borderline disagree. There are a lot of compromises: - The Linux desktop is far flakier and far less elegant than Windows and especially macOS. KDE's a lit…

Let's just agree to disagree. I grew up with Windows, learnt programming on it, was C++ proficient, COM, COM+, switched to C#, .NET, WinForms, WPF ... and that was when it got too much. If you know Windows, you probably can at least feel why. I earned quite a lot of money with Windows. I had tons of apps on Windows, and all alternatives on Linux are better to me (IntelliJ vs. Visual Studio, VS Code the same, CodeLion…

If Adobe or Serif announced Linux support, I’d switch in a heartbeat. I was about to add DaVinci Resolve to that list, but they actually released official Linux support, so I can cross some video editing off my list. And one presumes all web-based tools such as Figma also work well on Linux these days, so… the list of tools that aren’t Linux compatible might be vanishingly small now. But not zero, sadly.

Re: Windows 11's default mail client will show ads starting 2024

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Post by f233f2 »

nerdjon wrote: post #13

Microsoft seems determined to make all of the wrong choices for Windows. I tried the New Outlook after having issues with the default mail app. I was greeted with a message "To add your iCloud account to Outlook, we need to sync your emails, contacts, and events to the Microsoft Cloud." I'm sorry WHAT?!? You're telling me that to use a local email service I need to sync with Microsoft servers? Someone here please tel…

Probably because the new outlook can only access microsoft servers, so they synchronise icloud to outlook server-side and you only access outlook client-side.

Re: Windows 11's default mail client will show ads starting 2024

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Post by jrockway »

Why does Microsoft even bother with a desktop OS these days? They have moved on to The Cloud like everyone else, so people can buy Word and not their OS.

All Windows really has is a long tail of legacy apps (many of which are very good, and people don't want to give up) and games, and that has to look like a dying business model. (Unfortunately, games are pretty sticky, because they own a game console, and everyone wants access to the console. So if Microsoft says "if you port your game to Linux, you can't be on Xbox", Windows is on indefinite life support.)

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