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Stockholm to ban petrol and diesel cars from centre from 2025

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Re: Stockholm to ban petrol and diesel cars from centre from 2025

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Post by colpabar »

nerdjon wrote: post #73
boxed wrote: post #6

It's a tiny part of the center of Stockholm. https://www.svt.se/nyheter/lokalt/stockholm/bensin-och-diese... has a map. Roughly 4x4 blocks.

I really wish we could get more pedestrian focus in the US. While this does still allow cars, it seems like it's a start. Meanwhile in NY some people are all up in arms about the congestion toll. In Boston a certain subset of people are losing their minds at one of our streets going pedestrian only on Saturdays during the summer. the US really has a crazy relationship with cars

It's such a shame. Walking through the no-car areas that popped up during covid was soooooooooo nice. I didn't even have to think about the possibility of getting hit by a giant truck! Oh well, the 3 inch curb will keep me safe I guess.

Re: Stockholm to ban petrol and diesel cars from centre from 2025

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Post by hef19898 »

robertlagrant wrote: post #102
hef19898 wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That all the public schools I know in Europe, either directly or indirectly, are pretty much of the same quality (differences for specific teachers not withstanding). Sending kids to a different school comes down to personal preferences, ranging from available languages to a school being along the commute of a parent or simple preference of tue kid in question. Selecting where to life based on school quality is simpl…

In the UK people move into catchment areas for better schools. How did you measure this equivalent quality of the schools you've assessed?

By doing a very detailed due dilligence of schools in Bavaria, the rest of Germany, Austria, France and Sweden, using the most advanced data science methodologies, including all available for money social studies as summarized by Chat-GPT (which reminds to run that again now that version 4 is out) and having the results put into a picture drawn by Dall-E and vetted by the social science PhD I met as my taxi driver (I don't take Ubers).

Re: Stockholm to ban petrol and diesel cars from centre from 2025

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Post by InitialLastName »

wwtrv wrote: post #68
CalRobert wrote: post #20

It's small, but it's a start. Next, remove as many cars as possible (some deliveries, taxis, and emergency vehicles make sense, as well as microcars for people who need them, of course). I'm appalled at the people here saying you need a car to lead a full life. A car-dependent life is an empty and sad one for many of us. I moved to the Netherlands with my family (two young daughters) and it has been _absolutely fanta…

Yet the overwhelming majority of people in the Netherlands still uses cars as their primary method of transport: https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/statistics-explained/index.php... of course if you moved there from the USA (which I assume you did?) the car situation there is not that much better than other European countries.

That's not how I interpret that chart.

The title says "Travel Distance per person day by main travel mode for urban mobility on all days". That is ambiguous, but suggests that the numbers are actually the share of the travel distance for peoples' main mode, meaning that people who need to travel further in a day tend to have cars, to an overwhelming extent.

That is still a coherent situation in a world where most people don't use cars because their daily travel needs only involve short distances (e.g. because they live in an area where all of their needs are met within a short range).

Re: Stockholm to ban petrol and diesel cars from centre from 2025

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Post by hef19898 »

ecmascript wrote: post #107
hef19898 wrote: post #83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Amazon Logistics is in the process of going fully electric, as are others. The supply of EV and hybrid vans is there, the demand as well as soon as tze existing fleets are going to be replaced as usual.

You obviously don't know Sweden because Amazon is a very small player that just entered the market there and I don't think they make their own deliveries but rather uses already established delivery companies.

Belive me, I know the long story of Amazon and Scandinavia quite well. I took it more general, and used Amazon as proof that last mile deliveries are perfectly possible with EV vans.

Re: Stockholm to ban petrol and diesel cars from centre from 2025

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Post by hef19898 »

robertlagrant wrote: post #110
hef19898 wrote: post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I can assure you that somewhere around the 6-7 year mark, it is completely normal for kids to take public transport to go to school. It is where I live, it is in Munich (always fun to end up in the school rush hour sharing the subway with all those little ones riding the train like a pro). It is simply normal for those and nothing even remotely special or weird.

Are you talking about unaccompanied kids?

Of course, that was the topic we discussed right?

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Post by dingnuts »

onlyrealcuzzo wrote: post #81
nerdjon wrote: post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I really wish we could get more pedestrian focus in the US. While this does still allow cars, it seems like it's a start. Meanwhile in NY some people are all up in arms about the congestion toll. In Boston a certain subset of people are losing their minds at one of our streets going pedestrian only on Saturdays during the summer. the US really has a crazy relationship with cars

~50% of Americans are sedentary and obese. They're obviously going to want cars. Walking & cycling are not options (see sedentary).

There are also disabled and elderly people. Try walking and cycling to get your groceries with multiple sclerosis or a couple bad hips.

Cars are awesome.

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Post by natch »

jeffbee wrote: post #18

Interesting that this bans PHEVs, because that is a substantial share of the EVs sold in Sweden, being about a third of EV sales and a fifth of total car sales recently. It seems like this will help kill the category.

Good. A PHEV is an EV in the same way a gold-plated lead ingot is a gold ingot.

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Post by walleeee »

dingnuts wrote: post #116
onlyrealcuzzo wrote: post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

~50% of Americans are sedentary and obese. They're obviously going to want cars. Walking & cycling are not options (see sedentary).

There are also disabled and elderly people. Try walking and cycling to get your groceries with multiple sclerosis or a couple bad hips. Cars are awesome.

That's where the rest of us come in. I for one would much sooner take a grocery delivery job if it's a critical service for the elderly and disabled rather than midnight pizzas for potheads.

The idea that a car is the only lifeline for people with physical disabilities bespeaks broader social ills.

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