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The EU's war on behavioral advertising

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Re: The EU's war on behavioral advertising

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Post by atoav »

nologic01 wrote: post #344

So many words to defend the indefensible. Its not a "war", it is asserting the collective will of an entire continent (made up of fairly diverse cultures and a long history of painful social strife, political and racial oppression and persecution). The aim is to close Pandora's box that was (as it happened) opened by the amoral and asocial advertising industry that cannot see beyond its (admittedly long) nose. The is…

Behavioural advertisment runs counter to the goals and aspirations of a free democratic society. We have enough atomization of the information space as it is.

What makes me pause is that there are truly people who are like "Pff! Free society!" or "Pff! Survival of the human race on planet earth!" and then go to explain how their profits are really what the rest of us should care about. In their worst version these people would sell Cyclon-B to the nazis if it just made them a good enough profit and there are people who see that kind of apocalyptic nihilism and confuse it with strength and power.

The rest of us should ban, tax, punish and prevent more of this totally braindead behaviour. Go ahead and make a profit, but if you can't manage to make it in a way that doesn't impact the rest of us, you can go fuck yourself.

Re: The EU's war on behavioral advertising

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Post by specialist »

dcow wrote: post #392
specialist wrote: post #370

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> Why should I be able to control what someone else knows about me? The right to privacy is: - complete sovereignty over oneself, including data about oneself - control over public knowledge about oneself In other words: I am my data, my data is me. I own myself. To deny my fundamental right to privacy is to deny my personhood, to deny my membership in a society of equals. -- It's corny, but I sometimes liken privacy…

Usually the responsibility falls on the individual to not reveal their true name, though. Once known no-one gets to litigate knowledge of it. Usually one must change their identity so much that their true name changes as well, or forever be vulnerable. Everyone does have a right to privacy, to not be tracked and surveilled, what’s being discussed here is an extension of that that argues it’s unethical to retain any d…

Why would any one retain surveillance of me? Because it has value. And if it has value, then I want my cut. Pay me or erase it.

Re: The EU's war on behavioral advertising

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Post by troupo »

xNeil wrote: post #395
troupo wrote: post #286

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> Every single other type of advertising requires your explicit consent. YouTube? Google? Newspapers? All have your consent. How exactly do they have that "consent"?

You must accept their Terms of Service to use them. These terms of service state that they will show you advertising, and in order to use the website, you must agree to these terms. They have very clear consent.

That EULA is a) unenforceable in many countries and b) does not constitute informed consent under GDPR

Re: The EU's war on behavioral advertising

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Post by sib »

troupo wrote: post #403
xNeil wrote: post #395

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You must accept their Terms of Service to use them. These terms of service state that they will show you advertising, and in order to use the website, you must agree to these terms. They have very clear consent.

That EULA is a) unenforceable in many countries and b) does not constitute informed consent under GDPR

Seems like good proof that the GDPR != Truth

Re: The EU's war on behavioral advertising

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Post by sib »

EMIRELADERO wrote: post #179
sib wrote: post #159

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If that's all it were, then the trade would be "you can get this [free like beer] service if you agree to give up some personal data, otherwise you don't get the service." As it is, the law says "You, company, must give users a service for free even if they choose not to give you the data."

That's akin to taking a law prohibiting the (voluntary) sale of organs to mean that everything's free now. Some things are above the concept of "market". Personal data is one of those things. That's the ideology behind these laws.

"Personal data is one of those things" - disagree.

When people say "Google isn't free, they provide it in exchange for your data" that is precisely saying that there's a market and a trade involved. You may not like that trade, in which case, don't use Google services...

Re: The EU's war on behavioral advertising

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Post by ChicRawChari »

Ads should be completely outlawed (stating from paper ads in the mail)

We need a place for manufacturer (not sellers) to put _full specifications_ of their products. If you think you make something useful you put it there. Then people can use filters and search to find the products they want/need and then search for the right price/seller or directly contact the manufacturer/reseller network.

Re: The EU's war on behavioral advertising

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Post by rcMgD2BwE72F »

malermeister wrote: post #322
developer93 wrote: post #301

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Personally I nearly always take the time to scroll through and untick all the permissions, or find a different site because screw them, that's why. I realise I'm in the minority.

https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/consent-o-mat... This should make it a lot easier :) It auto-handles most gdpr permission walls, and yes, you can set it to reject all - that's what I do! (I'm sure this exists for Chrome, too, but if you care about this sort of thing you really should be using Firefox!)

I much prefer https://github.com/OhMyGuus/I-Still-Dont-Care-About-Cookies (far more reliable in my experience)

Re: The EU's war on behavioral advertising

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Post by account42 »

frereubu wrote: post #369
uoaei wrote: post #336

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GDPR mandates that they are all already unchecked except for the so-called "essential" or "functional" ones.

I wish I had more time and / or money because this is commonly ignored, and I would love to take all organisations who don't abide by this to court just for the hell of it. Many times it's under the guise of "legitimate interest" under a separate unselected tab and I would love to test that in court.

I feel like the EU should have made it so that you could actually sue corporations for GDRP violations (as long as you have enough evidence for a court to hear the case) and for the accuser to get part of the fine if you win. Would have been a much more effective enforcement strategy.
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