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Re: Not Using Zoom

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I see 4 competitors in this space (consumer video-conferencing SaaS): - Zoom - Google Meet - MS Teams - Jitsi (free) I try and avoid Google products where I can but it seems like the least worst option here (I use Jitsi when I can but it's limited). Is there a 5th option out there? I have tried Discord, it's reasonable, but the UX is kinda crazy for anyone not used to it - very hard to convince non-gamers to use it.

There's always BigBlueButton and... Adobe Connect (shudders).

Re: Not Using Zoom

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In what way do you find Jitsi limited? Perhaps BigBlueButton would be another reasonable option?

Jitsi's free service disables video to "save bandwidth" if you have any reasonable amount of participants (3+ in my experience), and doesn't allow you to re-enable it. Their paid service allows you to tweak this but it starts at $100/mo. Have never tried BBB & I'm starting to see a lot of folk recommending it here now as I read through the comments... is it available as a service or is it purely a self-host option (w…

Self-host, but you can get hosting through its developer, Blindside Networks (terrible name for a company).

https://blindsidenetworks.com

Re: Not Using Zoom

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I loathe Zoom but wouldn’t that be the right call? The person who made the infringing content is responsible? We’ve already been through all of this with social networks, no?

It’s not the same though. When you post on social media, you’re posting information publicly (or semi-publicly). When you say, or show, something on a zoom call, there’s an expectation of privacy between the participants of the call. Zoom is now saying no, there isn’t, because they’re going to use the content of your calls to train their AI.

Yeah, sibling comment already made that clear. The post I was responding to was ambiguous.

Re: Not Using Zoom

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It probably does STUN but not TURN and relies on the actual data going through P2P, that's what most services that are free do and for a lot of orgs/cases it works pretty well.

This, there's no MCU either, all P2P

So with no TURN, how does Jitsi work with people behind a firewall / NAT?

Re: Not Using Zoom

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post #96

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In what way do you find Jitsi limited? Perhaps BigBlueButton would be another reasonable option?

Jitsi's free service disables video to "save bandwidth" if you have any reasonable amount of participants (3+ in my experience), and doesn't allow you to re-enable it. Their paid service allows you to tweak this but it starts at $100/mo. Have never tried BBB & I'm starting to see a lot of folk recommending it here now as I read through the comments... is it available as a service or is it purely a self-host option (w…

The free version of Jitsi does, yes. I'm self-hosting my own Jitsi instance and was able to configure the quality settings way beyond anything you can get from Zoom or Google Meet. I can have ten people with 30Mbps 4K video streams on the call at once. The video is responsive, lifelike, and beautiful like you're watching a pre-recorded YouTube video.

Re: Not Using Zoom

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Jitsi's free service disables video to "save bandwidth" if you have any reasonable amount of participants (3+ in my experience), and doesn't allow you to re-enable it. Their paid service allows you to tweak this but it starts at $100/mo. Have never tried BBB & I'm starting to see a lot of folk recommending it here now as I read through the comments... is it available as a service or is it purely a self-host option (w…

Self-host, but you can get hosting through its developer, Blindside Networks (terrible name for a company). https://blindsidenetworks.com

Ah. In that case, not really the "space" I'm referring to. Was really asking if there's any other non-self-hosted competitors to these services out there?

Re: Not Using Zoom

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Yep - we've tried most (and have teams and meet FREE). Jitsi - core functionality issues with video quality tied to network setups perhaps make it a no go. If you work with a lot of folks for short bits of time everyone knows how to get on and work a zoom call. Teams has weird permissions issues, consumer vs business teams, and is forced on so many people that they auto close it (reminds me a bit of the IE pushiness…

> Google Meet started auto-adding links to meetings You can disable that default company wide and force people to manually add it if desired.

The problem is a fair number don't do this. It's super annoying - why not do an opt-in or even a prompted opt-in to keep this to folks actually using meet maybe based on actual meet usage?

Re: Not Using Zoom

#108

My problem as a coach is, everything else is bad. Google Meet video quality feels like the 90s, they optimize for traffic costs. MS Teams is not easily usable from a meeting URL, but quality is higher than Google Meet. Other offers are often unreliable or low quality. When working with a trainer for my language/pronunciation I also found out that many solutions have abysmal sound quality, Zoom is best by far.

> MS Teams is not easily usable from a meeting URL

Why not? You click on the link and if Teams is installed it opens the local copy. If not then you can do the call in a browser. What is the difficulty?

Re: Not Using Zoom

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>Be indemnified by me if it turns out someone else owns the IP or has their rights infringed (for example to confidential materials everyone on the call is entitled to review). IANAL but that's not quite what the terms say. >25. INDEMNIFICATION >To the extent not prohibited by applicable Law, you agree to indemnify, defend, and hold Zoom and its affiliates and each of our licensors and suppliers (“Indemnified Parties…

> arising out of or related to

> your or your End User’s infringement or violation of any Proprietary Rights or other right of any person or entity

Re: Not Using Zoom

#110

I came directly to the comments to recommend Jitsi instead. Glad the author made the same early in the article.

Jitsi's free SaaS is a great resource to have available but it's not really viable for many many (most?) use-cases. Apart from general stability issues (which is in fairness are always improving) the biggest blocker is the "Video turned off to save bandwidth" message that you will inevitably receive on any call with more than 2 members. This doesn't seem in my experience to just be something that occurs occasionally…

Yes, you can change the maxFullResolutionParticipants setting in config.js to fix this.
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